Terror frontman Scott Vogel calls The Ghost Inside 'bullshit band'Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:14 PM PT
While performing in Leeds, UK last night, Vogel had the following to say about Terror's forthcoming album:
Here's the relevant video:
UPDATE: The Ghost Inside vocalist Jonathan Vigil has now put forth a statement addressing the particular matter. Notably, Vigil accepts some blame for Vogel's comments. Here you go:
I grew up, and got into hardcore music through bands like Throwdown, Shai Hulud, Bane, One King Down, American Nightmare, etc. All of these bands sound completely different, but they all still have something in common. Every single one of those band have songs of substance, songs that make you think, songs that mean something. And they all have some merch with the word "hardcore" on them.
I do my absolute best to give back to the hardcore community by trying to write songs that will inspire and help people the way that hardcore bands of my era helped me. I wouldn't have the strength to turn down any drugs or alcohol that came my way if it wasn't for Throwdown's "You Don't Have To Be Blood To Be Family." I would be an angry people hating misanthropist if I never heard Shai Hulud's "Hearts Once Nourished With Hope And Compassion." And most importantly, I wouldn't have learned about dedication and sacrifice if it wasn't for Bane's "Give Blood." All of these lessons I learned from hardcore. I owe who I am today to hardcore.
Hardcore to me has never been about a sound. It has always been about a message. The reason I call The Ghost Inside a hardcore band is because I believe in our songs. I believe in what we do. I believe that we are doing this band for all the right reasons. That's why it's so important to me to let people know what our songs are about. In the chance that they hear the message, and it sparks something inside them.
All of this is why I've always considered The Ghost Inside a hardcore band. If other people and other bands in the hardcore community feel that we are doing the hardcore community an injustice, or misrepresenting the scene, we will never print another piece of merch with the word hardcore on it.
I want people reading this to know that I mean no disrespect to anyone. ESPECIALLY Scott whom I've toured with a bunch, and have had many talks with about hardcore music. I respect his band, his career and what he said about my band. While on tour with Terror I acted a fool and disrespected Scott and some of his friends. I've done my very best to make amends with them. He has a reason to dislike me and my band. That is something I can only blame myself for, and something that I have to live with. Hardcore is also about honesty, and he was just being honest with the crowd.
fck terror, fck vogel, fck every band he mentioned especially trapped under ice, and most of all fck hardcore.
Wow... very immature. What did the Ghost Inside do to him?
I dont like tgi but im not a much bigger fan of terror. I love hardcore but fck this shit, if you don't dig it, don't listen to it. whats talking shit gonna do for you
All the internet tough guy hardcore kids are STOKED.
Scott Vogel is an alcoholic/cokehead who is widely hated by everyone. If anyone takes this fcking imbecile seriously, they are either drunk or just full on retarded. Also, I dare you to list ONE GOOD Terror record.
He's right. They don't give a fck about the hardcore scene
What's funny is that Terror has metal influences which are blatantly obvious. Therefore they'd likely be categorized as hardcore/metal. Which ultimately is the same thing The Ghost Inside would be categorized as.
Says the guy who let Terror go on tour with Emmure like three times.
Terror needs to get over themselves. The Ghost Inside is one of the most respected bands in the hardcore scene. Terror is just jealous of how small they are compared to The Ghost Inside. fck you Terror.
And most importantly, why the fck did he mention Title Fight? Title Fight isn't hardcore, they're just one of those bands that "hardcore kids" like for some fcking reason. This makes me dislike Terror a bit.
I HOPE BRITTANY CHIPMUNK GIRL READS THIS SHIT. I LOVE YOU BRITTANY CHIPMUNK GIRL AND THE OTHER HOT BRITTANY GIRL BABY BABES SUCK MY ASIAN dck!!!
I bet he's just pissed that Terror couldn't get on the next TGI tour
And you wonder why hardcore scene is drifting apart, is because of elitist jerks like him, that believe that one one "form" of hardcore is better than the other, really thou, can we just all be the Bane of the situation and try to get along for once?
yo terror is old school hardcore. thats that shit that everyone grew out of when they grew up. backtrack is cool but most of these "hardcore" bands act like they are something that they are not. TGI is doing it right, getting big. They just mad.
You gotta love Terror and Scott Vogel! Keeping Hardcore true to the roots. Haters gonna hate. Terror > TGI #keeperofthefaith
Terror tuvo 3 buenos discos, pero hace rato andan puro weando. drogo conchetumare vogel, hace rato dejaste de entender tu tambien lo que es el hardcore,andai en la pura pose reculiá.
Funny because it's true, funny because his band is a bullshit band as well.
Any band willing to shit talk a another band for personal gain does not need respect.
So he hates TGI but he does a collab with Obey The Brave? Vogel pls.
"I thought it was a community where every walk of life who felt alone,broken,and shattered could come and feel accepted.I thought it was less about the band name on your shirt and more about loving the music.Less about what comes out of your mouth and more about what you do.Not giving a fck about what people think and doing what you know to be right in your heart.Yeah,breakdowns are cool but hardcore is about way more than that,so get your shit straight."-Jesse Barnett, Stick to Your Guns
Screw this " I'm ard, own a bulldog, shave my head - living in my grandmas garage " fronted mallakee - it's about the music The music and brutal break downs. This is simple. The ghost inside FTW!
old man...please. sing your songs. play your music. But there's really no need in talking shit about other bands..By the way, TGI is great.
Scott Vogel " Hardcore is my way of life. " Tours with Emmure. Scott Vogel " fck The Ghost Inside. " Guest spot on Obey The Brave record. Makes sense. HARDCORE FOR LIFE.
haha i love terror so much scott vogal is so real/humble i love the message in the music to the lyrics to the aggression how much heart is has in it you know there about the MUSIC you know its fcking real my head is deep in hip hop and there still the one of the many hardcore band i listen to and keep up on -austinreid
anonymous posted 10 minutes ago So he hates TGI but he does a collab with Obey The Brave? Vogel pls. Preach
uhhhh...i think he forgot his band released albums on the trustkill.
scott vogel used to manage a band called Stick To your guns. google that
He bashes TGI yet he does guest vocals on Obey The Brave's album? Hypocrite. OTB is just a second hand TGI rip off. "Get out of my face."
he was awfully nice to TGI before. funny how he's changed his tune. definitely called them "the future of hardcore" about 4 years ago.
The Ghost Inside are awful. Nicely done, Scott.
Hardcore Macho Man "ooohh yeaah!" He's right about the ghost inside regardless.
Not going to comment on the shit talking, but fck the guy who said "name one good terror record" because Lowest of the goddamn mother fcking Low you shit eating mother fcker push it away
woot. Nobody cares about your opinion, Vogel. Hardcore is pretty damn stupid.
First off, fck straight edge. Anyone that would use the fact that he drinks as argument is an idiot. Second, Terror is so fcking over rated. It's like majority of their fan base are like "Well, The Acacia Strain isn't cool anymore, what else is there that shows how tough I am?!" It's played out as hell. Also, TGI blows just as much. This is like two kids in special education calling each other retarded.
I don't understand how in one breath he can say fck this band and that band but then in the next breath say we're all family and the enemy is out there.
He bashes TGI yet he does guest vocals on Obey The Brave's album? Hypocrite. OTB is just a second hand TGI rip off. "Get out of my face." Well said. Obey The Brave sucks all sorts of dck.
fck Terror indeed. Hardcore fcking sucks. Bunch of fcking idiots. I don't need a fcking family, I have one already.
Terror is just proving that the hardcore scene is fulled with elitist jerks who think "beatdown" or "old school" hardcore is better than whatever other music is being put out nowadays.
Every word that came out of his mouth was true. Terror is a true hardcore band, tgi is a scene kid band. Trapped under ice is fckin amazing, don't talk shit gays. Almost every comment on this is posted by an ignorant scene kid there are only a few comments that came from someone that is involved in the hardcore scene and to anyone that doesn't think title fight is a hardcore band your somewhat right, yes the music doesn't exactly sound like it but they are super involved in hardcore
I don't know what his beef is with them, but I assume it's something person considers bands like Emmure and Acacia Strain "hardcore" enough to tour with them.......
When some or any of you internet hardcore critics have done for HARDCORE what Scott Vogel has than you opinion might count till then...keep loving the band's he has influenced and shut the fck up
i thought the hardcore "scene" died along time ago? lets just preach to a bunch of kids about shit, because i guess that is hardcore.
I do agree with the whole "We are a family and the real enemy is outside" statement.
Terror has written great hardcore records. TGI has not. Regardless of metallic influences terror is a hardcore band 100%. REAL fans of the genre know its not so much about the music. Lowest of the Low means more than anything the ghost inside has ever done/will ever do.
terror = shit the ghost inside = shit who really gives a shit besides them?
IVE BEEN A MEMBER IN THE HARDCORE SCENE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW AND WATCHED IT TRANSITION. YES BANDS TOUR COINCIDE WITH SHITTY BANDS. 90% OF YOU SCENE QUEERS DONT HAVE A fckING CLUE WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT.
FOR THE ONES THAT SAY fck HARDCORE, WHAT THE fck ARE YOU EVEN READING THIS POST FOR?? TGI IS ANOTHER BANDWAGON THAT YOU SCENE fckS JUMP ON JUST LIKE STYG. IF YOU CANT AGREE ON ONE GOOD TERROR RECORD THAN WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE ABOUT THIS BLOG POST? THE NARROW MINDED fck THAT SAID I DONT NEED A FAMILY I ALREADY HAVE ONE, YOU CLEARLY DONT UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF BROTHERHOOd. TO ALL YOU HOT TOPIC SHOPPING gayS......GTFO!
"Those bands are so 'bout it 'bout it" LOL Go fck yourself you overgrown sissy. Stop flapping your fat mouth and play music.
Scott Vogel is just butthurt because The Ghost Inside have already sold more records than Terror has and probably ever will.
At least he said what he said in the flesh, in person, and not behind a keyboard like most or you pussies these days. Real recognize real.
Someone is upset ^ ..and probably 30+, with nothing to show in life except his membership in SOSF. COOL LYFE BRAH
Scott Vogel is just butthurt because The Ghost Inside have already sold more records than Terror has and probably ever will. ^ not true....you are a stupid motherfcker for suggesting such bullshit.
fck The Ghost Inside. I'm happy that it's finally coming out that they're pieces of shit people that play terrible music.
"FOR THE ONES THAT SAY fck HARDCORE, WHAT THE fck ARE YOU EVEN READING THIS POST FOR?? TGI IS ANOTHER BANDWAGON THAT YOU SCENE fckS JUMP ON JUST LIKE STYG. IF YOU CANT AGREE ON ONE GOOD TERROR RECORD THAN WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE ABOUT THIS BLOG POST? THE NARROW MINDED fck THAT SAID I DONT NEED A FAMILY I ALREADY HAVE ONE, YOU CLEARLY DONT UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF BROTHERHOOd. TO ALL YOU HOT TOPIC SHOPPING gayS......GTFO!" Die slowly sissy boy.
females are about the drama. shit is whack.
TERROR KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. The fact that this got so far for an article to be written about it is pathetic. You're all pathetic.
terror fcking blows end of story. He's just mad that TGI actually succeeds in life.
"Someone is upset ^ ..and probably 30+, with nothing to show in life except his membership in SOSF. COOL LYFE BRAH" actually im not a member of SOSF nor 30, COOL ASSUMPTIONS BRAH
The Ghost Inside wouldn't exist without Terror. Just because you put the word hardcore on a shirt doesn't mean anything when you're just a bullshit metal band. Scott Vogel knows.
Not a good move on scotts part. Like others said, it completly goes against his "unity" in hardcore moto. Both are good bands in their own right, im not drawing a line in the sand to choose between them..
Shut up preaching and play some fcking music.
To the c-ck who posted saying TGI are "doing it right, getting big"... You have no idea what hardcore is about. Going to a TGI show at the O2 is nothing like going to a small venue and watching a real band.
For everyone who's saying terror are butthurt because the ghost inside sell more albums you clearly don't understand hardcore, punk or anything that the scene is about. The ghost inside should think themselves very grateful to have you sheep to buy their shit!
If your not truly a hardcore fan... fck outta here If you are and your bashing Scott Vogel then maybe you should realize how much he has done for the scene he's put his entire life into it so have some respect cause that's what this scene is about otherwise stop repin hardcore
To the guy who said The Ghost Inside have sold more records than Terror. You are fully wrong, One With The Underdogs sold over 40,000 copies and is still selling. Go have a word with yourself.
There's a bunch of whiny pussies commenting here. I like both bands but a little shit talking isn't that big of deal. Everyone does it everyday.
SCOTT VOGEL CALLED AND SAID YOU SHOULD ALL fckING sck his dck.
nice to see somebody speak their mind. i was under the impression that shit was outlawed in this scene now. god forbid you piss off any HS QB cool guy fcking posers, i never do shit for anybody scene queens, or the endless stream of ball hangers they always got running with them. not really saying i agree or disagree with what was stated here (dont give a shit either way), but its nice to see somebody say whatever the fck they want for once. i remember when it used to be like that all the time
Well first off Terror is a hardcore band. Second, the Ghost Inside is not a hardcore band in any way what so ever. Terror is one the coolest hardcore bands ever, and if you don't see that you better come to terms to what you actually think hardcore is, cause it ain't the ghost inside.
^ what drugs are you on? playing a small venue and watching a real band? you think terror plays at vfw halls? the fck? tgi and terror shows are one in the same now.
Scott does more for hardcore then any of you ever will. Whether its through Zines, releasing euro bands on his label, working w/ Reaper, helping out young bands.. The list goes on. Same goes out to every guy in the band. They ARE hardcore. Who cares what he said, that's not the issue. The issue is now more clear then ever, no one recognizes others as human beings.Maybe this is what it takes to weed out all you fake ass mother fckers.
I guess if you are not hard style you're not a "real" hardcore band.
god damn The ghost inside sucks dck, worst fcking band worst name. Everyone talks shit, who cares.
Im with scott all the way. The ghost inside is a bunch of sell out bitches. Terror over them any day. Fight me!
But he's willing to guest vocal obey the brave...who sound exactly like TGI
A 8 year old could play their riffs. fck them.
I like OTB because I know them personnaly. I like TGI and I had the chance to speak with Jon on several occassions. Both great bands with each their own reasons to be in the hardcore scene. But to listen to a guy named Scott, who's been around the hardcore scene for quite awhile, and bitching about a band just because he doesn't like them ? I'm sorry but that's plain bullshit from him. I used to like Terror, but with that stupid comment they won't be on my tracklist for a while.
Look who thinks he's the Pope of Chili town!
yeah i kind of agree with scott, im listening to tgi right now they seem to be more of a "hardcore" band instead of a real hardcore band..but who really cares about what anybody says we all have the right to have our own opinions...Whats the big deal anyway. Shit i never even heard of tgi unil now. not a fan.....
Scott Vogel thinks he the fcking Pope of Chili Town.
You can't hate on TGI when you used to manage dck In Your Buns.
WOWW, look, what hardcore should be about is bringing a big group of ppl together to listen to some heavy jams. Terror AND the ghost inside both do that. He's being an elitist piece of shit now cause TGI doesn't have enough megabeats in their songs. Btw TGI has been around about less than half the time terror has and accomplished an equal amount for heavy music. Just sayin.
Says the dude whose bandmate founded Booty Smell Good Doe.
Who cares about hardcore. Living Color is my favorite black metal band.
read TGI dude's blog: http://vigiltgi.tumblr.com / "While on tour with Terror I acted a fool and disrespected Scott and some of his friends. I've done my very best to make amends with them. He has a reason to dislike me and my band. That is something I can only blame myself for, and something that I have to live with. Hardcore is also about honesty, and he was just being honest with the crowd."
Gold jacket... green jacket... who gives a shit! I enjoy both bands, though it seems petty and i don't understand why a leader in the hardcore scene would want the division. While hardcore isn't about making tons of money or "making it". Why judge a band because they've achieved some success?
All I'm gona say is, Title Fight toured with ADTR... Yet, he respects them? word.
he's not mad because tgi is "making it" its just them saying they're hordcore when they're really metalcore
does it really matter what bands another bands tours with? are you really going to turn down an oportunity to make money?
jonathan vigil, a real man, ladies and gentlemen
I KNOW Vigil cares about the scene because I met him last night after the AP Tour and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. Plus when the security at the venue wasnt there to catch crowd surfers he called the club out because he was concerned for the fans safety. If he didn't care would he do all this I think NOT!
vogel is a stupid motherfcker and stfu and play
the irony of hardcore being about individuality, yet all acting and dressing the same, and sharing some cult-like bullshit moral code.
I don't even like Terror's music, but speaking as someone who has opened for both of these bands, Terror definitely sounds more "hardcore" musically and plays with a mentality that holds truer to the punk/DIY ethos that created hardcore music. That TGI stuff is metalcorepop hot topic garbage lmao duh
Somewhere Henry Rollins is saying the exact same thing about Vogel and Terror
"anonymous posted 4 minutes ago the irony of hardcore being about individuality, yet all acting and dressing the same, and sharing some cult-like bullshit moral code." this this this
Scott, there's a reason why Terror and any HC band that lasts more than 3 years has a revolving door for members - it sucks. People grow up, they move on. They mature and realize HC is gay as fck. Except you, Scott. You're still on the playground pretending to be something while other people become real people. fck, your suicide can't come fast enough.
to all of you too stupid to figure out the title fight reference, go to your favorite search engine and type in "bad seed hardcore". Then it should all make sense.
Adults talking about hardcore in a serious way is fcking hilarious to me.
"..but speaking as someone who has opened for both of these bands.." GIVE THIS GUY A MEDAL.
My old band did a couple tours with terror and i will say they are awesome guys. They were humble, fun to hang with, brought down the house every time they played. So much fun to watch. I will say talking shit is something that shouldn't happen. I understand not everyone likes every band, but as touring musicians you should respect each other enough to leave the beef out of the hardcore/metal scene and leave it to the rap game. Thats my two cents.
Soundguy, can I get more stagedives in the monitors please?
Vogel is bitter because he is old enough to collect social security.
"name one good terror record" are you for real? the ghost inside are so mediocre, yeah vogel is abit of an idiot for bad mouthing other bands but still, whether you like terror or not, there is no denying that they're an amazing band.
anonymous posted 19 minutes ago the irony of hardcore being about individuality, yet all acting and dressing the same, and sharing some cult-like bullshit moral code.
sure have a lot to say..while being a band that has toured with miss may i and emmure lololol
all of you gays need to shut the fck up. music isn't as serious as you think. nobody gives a fck what you listen to. you shitheads exhaust me with your pointless bitching
i giggles when scott said title fight was hardcore
" Adults talking about hardcore in a serious way is fcking hilarious to me. " LOL !! Amen to that.
just as Ryan from poison the well said when asked about going for a softer sound: "hardcore is about playing whatever the fck you want."
someone please tell me when scott vogel became frontman of a "hardcore" band...terror isnt/never will be considered hardcore, what a joke.
They hypocrisy with hardcore and Vogel is that hardcore's a scene that always preaches unity and solidarity. That's until a new generation of bands that come in with different sounds, they get called out and criticized. This sort of boundary work just divides the very same scene not separate fragments and it goes against everything they once preached. With that being said, Vogel sounds like a elitist and pretentious idiot. But if you read this far then you're a gay.
People saying Scott has done so much for hardcore & others' opinions don't matter because they haven't done what he's done…wake up. Any contribution he has made to hardcore would mean NOTHING without the fans (people posting here). You can't be an influence if no one listens to you. The fans have done WAY more for hardcore than he ever could. He's just dragging personal matters on stage because he's pathetic & needs the faux validation to feel good about himself. Everything he says is garbage.
The hypocrisy with hardcore and Vogel is that hardcore's a scene that always preaches unity and solidarity. That's until a new generation of bands that come in with different sounds, they get called out and criticized. This sort of boundary work just divides the very same scene not separate fragments and it goes against everything they once preached. With that being said, Vogel sounds like a elitist and pretentious idiot. But if you read this far then you're a gay.
All this shit is gay. both are bullshit bands.
unreal, that there is so much shit talk about Terror. They are a TRUE hardcore band who have already stuck to their roots. Don't you think if Vogel was that out of line that TGI would have had a different response to the statements from vogel?
I'm going to wear a The Ghost Inside shirt to a Terror shirt and go speak to Scott. Maybe he'll hit me and have his crew try and kick my ass. We'll see.
fck terror, fck vogel, fck every band he mentioned especially trapped under ice, and most of all fck hardcore.fck terror, fck vogel, fck every band he mentioned especially trapped under ice, and most of all fck hardcore.fck terror, fck vogel, fck every band he mentioned especially trapped under ice, and most of all fck hardcore.
I'm pretty used to c-mming into a dasani bottle after handsex but i will c-m on toes for this.
vogel comes off as a douche bag on a good day. I think he was sexually abused by his dad as a child. Just keep your bullshit "me,me,me" attitude to yourself and fcking play heavy music. Keepers of the Faith is a phenomenal record don't get me wrong, but really, a BON JOVI rip WTF!
suck vogel & dck jett are hardcore's biggest douchebags.
I heard scott vogel fought eric salzer once
It is like when you see a one-sided fistfight. There is just a dude on the ground, pummeled, crying and pleading "why are you hitting me". On the one hand, he comments section has blown up so fast, you would think avenged sevenfold had a van flip. No such thing as bad publicity.
You know all those kids in the pit have TGI bumping in their car after this show.
I love that song by The Ghost Inside, "Keep Your Mouth Shut." Great little ditty.
"The thing about hardcore is, hardcore is an idea. Hardcore isn't a talent, hardcore's not these four walls, these bands, or the people in this room. Hardcore is a state of mind. And when you start coming up with rules and guidelines of what a hardcore band is; and what a hardcore kid is. Thats when it becomes not hardcore." - Ned Russin, of Title Fight
seems like Vogel has a personal issue with the band more than anything, especially since TGI's singer basically wimped out and said, "yeah, Vogel is right to hate me, since I 'acted a fool around him' (what does that even mean?" But a lot of hypocrisy here too...if hardcore isn't about a sound but a value system, I'm not sure how Terror is that much different from TGI these days...both play larger venues, with non- hardcore bands, etc. But TGI are still weak as hell musically
i aint gonna front i did the whole stage dive thing for terror, but haha is scott vogel a giant fcking turd. Dont be mad bro that TGI is able to reach new audiences and not be those kids in air maxes, camo shorts and windbreakers thats all every single band on that reaper shit is about
It's all bullshit though, because if a HxC band wants to get "big" enough to stop dumpster diving and living with their parents, they have to worry about guys like Scott Vogel ripping on them for not being real. However, I have a feeling that TGI is probably a shitty bunch of guys based on their response to Vogel, basically admitting that they deserve it.
To anybody all like " Title Fight isn't hardcore", get a fcking clue and listen to Bad Seed. Learn up, nerds.
I sympathize with Scott Vogel. He's a older guy with a younger guy bothering him he got pissed. Young buck clammed up, and got Tom Sweeneyed.
different music moves different people. who is anyone else to say what kind of band/music has influenced someone's life and mindset and really meant something to them. nothing that dude says on stage is going to change anything to fans of either band. personally i'd recommend spending more time pouring your heart and soul into music that means something to you than shit talking other bands doing that very thing on stage, but that's just me. but to each their own.
one thing that is true is the ghost inside cant even match the energy that terror puts out
props to the guy from TGI for manning up and admitting he "acted the fool"...while scott vogel continues to do so unknowingly on a nightly basis.
terror= fail. They were never tight. Never owned an album and never will. I can shart in a mic twice as hard as Scott from terror can.
if you would read the entire quote from Vigil youd get an understanding of why scott vogel said this. the singer from tgi basically justified why scott vogel doesnt like him
that guy is a dck. he is disrespectful to everyone he comes into contact with. he has played my hometown multiple times only to break microphones, stomp holes in monitors, and destroy our venues. fck him.
(Lifting dumbbells). Terror=fail. They were never tight. Never owned an album and never will. I can shart in a mic twice as hard as Scott from "Terror" can
Who the fck cares? Both bands are good, but Vogel sounds like every dumbass on YouTube arguing about genres.
Christ, I haven't seen this much butthurt about genre labeling since I got on a forum with a bunch of metal nerds. If you ask me, Terror sucks, TGI sucks, TUI sucks. Scott Vogel is just a frat weenie that decided that punk rock was cool one day.
All you kids back up terror go listen to something other than keepers of the faith.
when all your songs are played with 1 finger, how can you really talk shit about real bands making real music? scott this hardcore scene that you dream of is a joke. and everyone is laughing at you.
Shit like this is why I stopped caring about hardcore. Hardcore doesn't exist without drama. Somebody has to be tougher than someone else. Somebody listens to youth crew so they must be way more into hardcore than someone else. Somebody has to be more straight edge than the next. It's all stupid when you think about it. Shouldn't the music and the message be the most important part instead of who wears more camo and owns the most band tees?
Recht hat er !! diese affigen sogenannten "hardcore" bands sind eher popcore-bravometal bands die sich in arsch begatten lassen um der masse zu gefallen. hauptsache tätowiert und tunnels im ohr pfffff
Well, Scott Vogel says a lot about Bands he hate. Even if i always a Show from "Terror", i don't think he's right. It would be better if he told the Truth and said that he thinks Jonathan Vigil was disrespectful while they were on Tour. The Ghost Inside are a great Band, and in many Ways more positive than Terror will ever be. I will ALWAYS buy a TGI Shirt with the Word HARDCORE on it.
If I had a fcking nickel for every time someone in hardcore said the word "family" or "community". It's the same recycled two step gorilla music regurgitated over and over.
The Ghost Inside sucks. Terror sucks. Hardcore sucks. fck you.
So, first he talks shit about Refused and now The Ghost Inside. It's bad enough Jonathan apologizes for his band and Scott talking shit about other bands, but it's worse that people are forgetting hardcore is about unity and respect. Yes I do think The Ghost Inside is a better band, but before these outbursts I listened to Terror as well, but never found it outstanding music, but quite ok. I've stopped listing to them and probably skip them at their European Tour in 2013.
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Vogel is jealous because Terror does'nt have a tour bus
Who is he, the leader of the hardcore movement of something??? I hate to be the one to break it to him, but Terror doesn't have an original sound or anything. $10 says that bitch was listening to Korn and Limp Bizkit, while the rest of us were listening to Strife and Vision of Disorder. Switch to hip hop if you wanna troll on the mic homo!
"props to the guy from TGI for manning up and admitting he "acted the fool"...while scott vogel continues to do so unknowingly on a nightly basis." Truth.
That's all about Scott's aging, getting selfish and being bad-tempered. Old ones usually like whining.
What the hell is everyone bitching about? You don't know what happened between these guys, and Terror is more hardcore than every single one of you together
terror is just as much a trend as tgi. any "self respecting tough guy" owns a terror shirt just like he also owns a snapback and vans. hardcore is a trend
anonymous posted 16 hours ago And most importantly, why the fck did he mention Title Fight? Title Fight isn't hardcore, they're just one of those bands that "hardcore kids" like for some fcking reason. THIS. Title Fight is terrible. A real "yea, lets go get some food during their set" band.
At the end of this film we found out that Vogel and Vigil were actually the same person.
Am I seriously the only person surprised there haven't been any Scumbag Scott memes yet?
"fck TGI." "We are all family." Seems legit.
Have personally spent time Scott Vogel and the guy really is just very upfront with whatever he's pissed about. Just has a tough time expressing it tastefully.
Hey Scott Vogel, it was really cool seeing you guys on tour with Emmure twice. Way to keep it real.
Any publicity is good publicity, right Vogel?
Vogel deserves an epic slow clap... in the face.
All that I know about this kidding fight is: I Still enjoy Terror AND The Ghost Inside! But the real Los Angeles Hardcore is Suicidal Tendencies.
Terror isn't a very good band. Neither is The Ghost Inside. Both pretty boring compared many other hardcore bands out there. How about a little innovation once in a while, quit writing the same boring, easily marketable shit that you write because you know it's what people want to hear, then you'll be better respected.
Been saying this since they first came out..Hardcore for Hardcore, fck this WHOLE wave of (almost)radio-friendly "hardcore", remember what it's all about! And to those who asked "Title Fight?" Have you never listened to Bad Seed? Yes, Title Fight are a pop punk band who are VERY involved in the hardcore scene.
I love both of these bands and it makes me sad to see them act like this.
Terror, Take Offense, Trapped Under Ice, Backtrack, Reaper Records are all "bullshit". There's nothing "hardcore" or "real" about suburban wannabe hip hop kids in Airmax 90's and hipster cargo shorts. Stay elite, help out your shitty friends only, and keep writing more boring, non-threatening music.
Homeboys just hatin' cause Terror is washed up, sleeping in the van, playing to 200 cap rooms for $150 guarantees while TGI is killing it. Pretty pathetic he's gotta resort to shit talking to try and drum up some interest for their new album that will struggle to sell 1,000 copies in the first week.
"Terror, Take Offense, Trapped Under Ice, Backtrack, Reaper Records are all "bullshit". There's nothing "hardcore" or "real" about suburban wannabe hip hop kids in Airmax 90's and hipster cargo shorts. Stay elite, help out your shitty friends only, and keep writing more boring, non-threatening music."
THIS!!!!! "Terror, Take Offense, Trapped Under Ice, Backtrack, Reaper Records are all "bullshit". There's nothing "hardcore" or "real" about suburban wannabe hip hop kids in Airmax 90's and hipster cargo shorts. Stay elite, help out your shitty friends only, and keep writing more boring, non-threatening music."
Isn't Terror pretty much a glorified tribute band?
terror SUCKS & now people who don't waste time & money going to those garbage shows can see why :)
I don't think everyone read Vigil's response. Scott has some kind of beef with them over shit that happened on tour. Vigil is right about hardcore being a community for anyone. I can understand where Vogel is coming from but I think if they didnt have some sort of beef from before, he wouldnt be talking shit. Anyways, Terror is awesome, TGI is awesome, fck all of the elitist bullshit about what "real" hardcore is.
did I actually hear him reference title fight as one of the hardcore bands of this era? who the fck is he kidding?
fck the petty scene politics no one needs it and I'm saying this across the board. All I want to know is why the fck the people commenting that hardcore blows and its stupid are even here reading this? If you don't like a genre fine don't go trolling the net for stories about that genre and make useless comments nobody cares it just makes you seem like an jerk.
anonymous posted 1 day ago he's not mad because tgi is "making it" its just them saying they're hordcore when they're really metalcore hordcore hordcore hordcore hordcore hordcore hordcore hordcore hordcore hordcore Also, Title Fight sucks dck.
He acts like he is the "King of Hardcore" and he chooses who is hardcore and who isn't. TGI is hardcore, their lyrics are inspirational and mean something That's what I look for in a hardcore band.
"Scott vogel has done so much for the scene, he has given his entire life for it blah blah fcking blah" He only does "hardcore" because he can't fcking read. If he could get a real job that pays money he would. Instead he stays on tour and tries to fck girls with sick tattoos!! fck all bands!
Anyone trying to call Vogel out for being a newjack obviously doesn't know him or his history in hardcore. Slugfest, Despair, Buried Alive and now Terror. If Vigil pissed him off that sucks. Sometimes when you piss someone off there are repercussions and you get called out in front of a shit-ton of people. Vigil did the stand up thing by admitting fault when he didn't need to, now maybe Vogel will respect that. Maybe not.
This is stupid, and most of you guys are just going to dckride either Terror or The Ghost Inside cause that's what band beef is all about when they're both technically mainstream now cause a handful of people dckride them so hard now and can't even name a record other than KOTF or Returners/Get What You Give so fck you guys.
Its just the beef in the rap game. Its all a stunt to get more publicity in order to sell records. They should make a DVD HxC Beef!
good bad indifferent, the issue is Vogel is in a network of dudes where its perceived that they cant be f'd with. TRUST when i say the dude in TGI is shitting his pants right now. Being on the wrong side of this dude when your IN that scene feels like a bad place to be. That being said Emmure is HATED by Vogels closest friends in New England and it ddnt mean one fn thing. Emmure is a shit band doing well. Scott & friends have NO REAL POWER. only HYPE, & hype doesn't mean shit. dont be pussies.
Everybody just shut the fck up. It's music. Why is there a fcking debate over this bullshit non-news? Just shut the fck up.
a good rule of thumb is that if a band has a name 3 or more words long most likely its a fcking scenecore band. of mice and men, the devil wears prada, a ghost inside, the acacia strain, etc. anyone who listens to these bands but says they like hardcore needs to grow a pair and listen to some old-school nyhc.
KEEPER. OF. THE. FAITH. fck THE GHOST INSIDE.
You guys did read the part where the singer said "While on tour with Terror I acted a fool and disrespected Scott and some of his friends. I've done my very best to make amends with them. He has a reason to dislike me and my band. That is something I can only blame myself for, and something that I have to live with. Hardcore is also about honesty, and he was just being honest with the crowd."
Vigil probably called Vogel out on the fact that he speaks of unity in the hardcore scene yet he is affiliated with FSU.So you preach about respecting each other yet your "crew" is at the same show beating the shit out of anyone and everyone who is a possible threat to them or simply having fun.Give me a fcken break and grow the fck up.I like terror and the ghost inside, but I've got no respect for a band who needs a crew or gang that ruins the good name of hardcore. Or whatever's left of it
Terror is an evolved form of the original 70's hardcore. The Ghost Inside is a further evolved hardcore band as well. both are evolved forms and one is bitching about the other. POKEMON METHOD PEOPLE!!!
"Im Scott Vogel, Im gonna publicly call out TGI (A successful band)for attention for our new record coming out, TGI isnt hardcore becuase their music has dynamics... that must be it. But were all family right? fck you Scott. I just burned all my terror records.
Scott Vogel is ANYTHING but humble . He used to be a really cool guy in the Buried Alive and Despair days , but to say Terror is so "hardcore" and he does so much for the scene etc etc is BULLSHIT . Every Terror album sounds exactly the same except the tuning seems to have gotten lower over the years which is stereo typical of a metal "core" band . I don't listen to the Ghost Inside but I agree with what the kid said about hardcore not really being a sound but more of a lifestyle .
Vogel get off your fcking soap box . He plays to every trend . Always has always will . From straight edge metal core bands to now "old school" hardcore with metal influence . Terror is the band that's uncool to like which is why every douchebag has that stupid long sleeve shirt . Scott Vogel is not the be all end all on what hardcore is or isn't. Funny a guy who's band writes the same record over and over again is giving lessons in what's hardcore
LOL and this fcking idiot called Title Fight a hardcore band. I love Terror but what the fck is up with everyone in even bands talking shit nowadays? Grow up that isn't what hardcore is about going off talking shit like some little 14 twofaced c*nt. Absolutely retarded and I give Vigil his respect for saying what he did....but seriously though....Title Fight....a hardcore band? I'm done. Backtrack <3
We all know Harm's Way is better than both of those bands so let's just leave it at that - Jared
buried alive > slugfest > despair > terror
you mother fckers are less than nothing. most of you have no idea what hardcore is. the majority of you blowing up terrors page talking shit just graduated high school.
all you know is what these mediocre labels shove down your throat. your source of finding new music is hot topic warped tour and rise records bull shit. hardcores definitely not the same as it was 10 years ago. the amount of shit your fckin high schoolers are saying. id love to see you gays go to a terror show and talk shit because he offended one of the latest rise records bands that you heard on a hot topic sampler. EAT SHIT
"Hardcore is about being hardcore, not being not hardcore." (buttons up windbreaker, puts on snapback cap backwards, ties vans extra tight)
What the hell happened to just stabbing the person you have a problem with,if you were really HARDCORE you would have gone all Harley Flanagan on their ass.
I like terror, but sometimes I kinda have the thinking that they're not hardcore anymore. machismo bullshit. HEll, NIRVANA was more hardore than most of all of these bands today. they're too self conscious about how they look, their shoes nike, new balance. hc was about not giving a fck, nihilism, rebellion. In my scene you get picked at, if you DONT dress like them, the new era hat, hoodie.
They're putting a pressure on the kids. Hardcore now is like the underground HIP-HOP, the pressure of being cool is exhausting. They feel the need to have the breakdowns, to keep people dancing. that's fcking selling out.
fck vogel, kurt cobain was more hardcore than him. Machismo bullshit. putting breakdowns to please people so they would dance on their songs. putting pressur on kids to wear hoodies, new era hats. Kurt was a guy who don't give a fck and dat's what hc is about.
bottom line: hardcore doesn't need this shit. stop creating drama like you're a fcking kardashian. keep your mouth shut, do your thing. if you need to stoop to this level to create a buzz or whatever just stop playing music.
Honestly, I disagree with Scott about The Ghost Inside. They are a true hardcore band just like terror is. Scott just needs to let the high school drama go. Where's Have Heart when you need them. Be positive. Terror is one of the best hardcore bands ever. By him stating this, terror fans may like them less now. Title Fight is not a hardcore band. I hate it when people categorize them as hardcore. They're Pop Punk!
Never cared for the pssy hardcore genre, but talking smack about other bands is a sign of weakness.
LOL terror sounds like complete shit... No joke. Honestly scott can go kill his self for all i care... He probably will anyway from all that coke.. the ghost inside has so much more talent than terror ever will and the bad part is that terror has been around longer LOL and for the record .. i aint no damn scene kid. Ive just always never liked terror.
Shit like that is the reason the "hardcore scene" sucks a big dck. "Family" "being posi" all of it is fake, with pits run by a group of elitist friends with nothing better to do than secretly drink before a show, claim edge, and beat kids up that don't share the same opinions as them.
you either understand hardcore or you don't. the ghost inside does not. the real hardcore fans know why.
Doesn't Vogel walk around in FSU shirts? Was it impossible to have just kicked vigils ass and put it online? That= 10x more entertainment and 10x the record sells
Scott Vogel has every right to talk shit on tgi. Not only is tgi's music quite far from any type of hardcore (ESPECIALLY melodic hardcore), theyre not even involved in americas modern hardcore scene. Just look at their touring history (warped tour, attack attack, miss may i, parkway drive, etc). Just because their lyrics are "meaningful" doesnt mean they need to call themselves hardcore. Songs of any genre can be meaningful. I love terror and tgi both, but scott vogel is completely right
Stop talking bullshit Vogel. Hell, why does any band like to bash an other one. Just respect each other. That's what hardcore is really about, not this crap.
Long live hardcore. Past, present and future! Long live the bands with real shit to say in there songs. Long live people with the balls to stand for something good! Love The Ghost Inside and Terror too, but fck anyone who tries to define hardcore as a sound!
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i like terror's music always will, but this is just some egotistical shit. they're not the music, just the D-bags behind it. I prefer District 9's tunes anytime though
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i wonder how much time this dude spent typing up this bullshit hardcore is music. most grow out of it.
fck that! I love terror, and also i like tgi! Can t u see everybody?! They just have been in complain with them! Hardcore is just a way they re using to attack'em and this is wrong! Let hardcore the fck out from this bullshit!
Is it about the scene or your ego Scott? What's the point of pumping out your chest and bashing on another band to a bunch of random ass people? Only cause YOU don't like them? You talk about family. What you're doing is a way to break up a family. Attention seeking, stupid and immature.
Takes a big man to admit a mistake like that. Much respect. I love Terror, and The Ghost Inside. Hardcore lives.......back to community.
Yeah I'm pretty sur that im the only guy on here that likes both bands.
Don't take shit from anyone. Especially internet divas like yourselves. If you cross a man, then handle that shit. That's hardcore. fcknutz.
Both bands do not hold a flame to REAL hardcore. Bands from the 80s that had more punk influence rather than metal influence were real hardcore. 7 seconds, verbal assault, youth of today, cro-mags. Early crossover stuff like ST, DRI and Leeway were even cooler. Sucks that Vogel lost his way. Bring back the old school. You can't even skate to terror. suck it.
The music scene would be a lot better place if people listened to music without worrying about what genre/sub genre it belonged to and instead rearyzed the lyrics and music for what it means to them, and didn't value it's meaning based on the false context. Hardcore is supposed to be a place where people can come and be appreciate without having to conform to the norm so society, but by creating a heiarchy of genres and rules for those genres we are just conforming to society all the same.
Also nobody should gain a sense of superiority because they've been in the hardcore scene longer or are a "vetran" of hardcore. you may have been exposed to hardcore earlier because you are older or live in a different area. Gaining a sense of superiority from this is discrimination, which is everything hardcore is not about. Just appreciate it for what it means to you
Listen to the bands that move you. Who cares about the genre? I listen to everything, from hardcore to radio pop. My heart is in the hardcore and metal scene. I grew up in the pit. But now that I'm older (31) I realize that none of this shit matters. It's about finding music that resonates. Life is not a competition.
Lol. I remember Terror's first show... afterward somewhere on the internet someone was like "Scott Vogel has been giving the same speeches since he was in Buried Alive." Seems like it's still true.
Different generations. Hardcore has a huge following now and hardcore bands are actually making money. Let Vogel hate, he cut it upand snort it later
this is what hardcore is about and not talking behind the back of somebady. what do you stand for??? stay true vigil! you doin good! you dont need to give a statement!
if you dont care about hardcore why even be here at all got hit at a show and it hurt ohh sorry hunny you want a band aid lmao
http://www.hottopic.com/ho ttopic/Terror+Live+By+The+ Code+T-Shirt-10003096.jsp
Haha Terror sucks. They don't know what theyre talking about. The Ghost Inside is a great band and they had no reason to diss them.
You're so hardcore Scott Vogel. How'd those vocals you did on New Found Glory's newest record turn out you fvcking hypocrite.
what a fcking turd. as an adult how can you try to hold an audience captive for that long spewing dumb shit out of your mouth.
Some of my favorite memories in the hardcore scene involved secret Terror shows to raise money for other people in the community. Lowest of the Low will always be one of my favorite old school hardcore albums. With that said, The Ghost Inside is one of the only hardcore bands I still listen to consistently. Leave it to the music boys.