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Post CommentWowzers...can't say I'm surprised, though
All those "tuff" hardcore gays ruin shows.
that's one way to put hardcore back in the mainstream.
My main concern is that they only killed one FSU member. There's plenty more out there. Don't give up, Tucson!
Cue mainstream media's criticism of "screaming music" in 3...2...1...
Too bad they couldn't have sprayed an additional 300 bullets for the rest of FSU.
except there was like 50 fsu. they make it sound like local kids ganged up on one fsu, fsu dudes were beating up boys and girls with hammers
i'm willing to bet that this guy had it coming, but i dont know shit since i was not there
That's crazy. The audience at skrappy's shows have a median age of 12. They're all children. Shit never happens there.
it sucks that the news paper called it a metal show. tuff gays shouldnt give metal a bad name.
Yeah, because nothing stupid ever happens at metal shows. Ever.
I don't think I can express my excitement into text. Normally when people die I'm respectful, but these guys are lam3rs
oh well. you got me under your spell and i dont think im kidding around..dont think i can forget you know....remember, the only we need is chilly nights and warmer thighs.
DIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The FSU member was reportedly the individual killed." - Thank God.
i know that metal shows have problems too, so i dont want hardcore shows lumped in the same category to make things sound even worse.
I'm most impressed by use of the word "median."
Just what AZ needs, more things to kill that scene. Awesome. Can't wait for the Dateline interview...
"fck SHIT UP"? you've got to be kidding me. that's.......inventive. This incident is pathetic
you know, regardless of the fact that it may or may not have been an FSU dude shot, and most of FSU are complete dickbags, this shit still should never happen.
cue fsu members saying they had nothing to do with it and to stop talking shit or they'll get shot...
...............fsu............you are some stupid jerks
Wow, Donnybrook really brought the mosh this time
hahaha fsu....the d00ds that are "feared" at shows...hope youy learned something...dont fck with kids...or G-UNIT will shoot you.
hence i don't go to hardcore shows anymore. fcking idiots.
I'm starting a crew like FSU, but we are all gonna wear Goonies vintage t-shirts and ride mopeds..anyways interested?
Well, it looks like being a toughguy really paid off this time. It fcked up thing is, how can anyone really feel totally bad. We all know this was gonna happen sooner or later. Its just a damn shame.
what the fck is this, a rap concert? so fcking sad and pathetic.
"The bands are playing together in what Donnybrook's Web site calls "The Street Brutality Tour."' ... great. donnybrook just walked right into that.
the new shattered realm cd is kinda boring. maybe i expected too much
I was actually considering going to see Shattered Realm there. Glad I didn't. Shitty for that guy.
Let's give ourselves a nice fcking pat on the back. Or maybe we should hold a Hardcore Peace Summit then do that. fcking shit.
Violence in the scene is fcking retarded. It needs to be like it was 10 years ago when shows were so packed you had to room to start a fight. Gangs are gay!
ONLY gay, pssy, c-ck LOVING, gayS USE GUNS!!
you kids bitch about this crap... yet you support violent bands left and right.
tough guy bullshit at shows has got to stop. im sick people having huge fcking ego's that that they gotta be the baddest dudes out there. just have a good time for christ's sake!
I bet this will become more common. Its the bands and labels fault for promoting violence
LOVE violent music, HATE violence at shows if you fckS can understand that!
You are all stupid fcks.You talk shit about FSU when all those bands there are FSU! you fcken TUCSON'S GET OVER YOURSELF.&what the fck is a hxc kid bringing a gun to a show??
oh! and ya's should all might as well burn all your hardcore records..your fcken pathetic!
im pretty sure thats not what fsu stands for. or at least not what it used to stand for
Dude who died was 27. How pathetic is that?
Maybe someone from Courage Crew could get shot next, that'd make my Christmas.
well this is pretty shitty. this kinda stuff is eventually bound to happen when yuou pack a bunch of shithead meathead jerks into a tiny room.
young, white, and mostly male living in america...what is there to really be so angry about? it's all bullshit. they have no idea what the streets are really like...i don't either, but i'm not acting like i do.
in other news, the human torch was denied a bank loan.
why did a hardcore kid have a gun at a show? maybe because he was afraid of 25 meatheads having a "beatdown" party. maybe? im so glad I got to be involved in the HC scene when it was about music & community. have fun, guys..
About fcking time somebody started getting rid of FSU. An FSU member was reportedly the individual killed - one down, thousands to go.
wow, i love the way you all talk about a person who has been killed at the young age of 27, i hope all of your parents die of cancer, and then someone urinates all over the decaying bodies after they have been beatd several times.
the fsu dude who got shot was actually the guy who was crushing kids heads with monitors and mic stands for no reason what so ever. fck fsu
they should of just had an old fashioned duel ...take three steps then draw
I am disgusted by every single person here, someone lost thier life and all you can do is talk shit on FSU, thats fcking pathetic. It really says alot about compassion and unity when you go online and make fun of someone with a family.
I think ultimately it's sad to think that these people that start fights..don't realize that death can be a consequence of their actions. This is fcked up. They are giving metal and hardcore a band name, and reputation.
A man in his early 20s was shot to death around 9 p.m. during a heavy-metal concert at Skrappy's, a club for teens at 201 E. Broadway, police and witnesses said.
Dimebag reunion.......But yeah fck FSU they had it coming.
out of town gang shows up to fck kids up, destroy equipment, pull out weapons and threaten peoples lives, and some of you are actually going to feel sad for the one guy amongst them who got killed?
Maybe Shattered Realm will stop playing music now
this really sucks but, if someone starts something though, people will inevitably fight back. im suprised this hasnt happened sooner. also... how much you wanna bet the shitty bands that were playing will use this now for publicity...
so is this really a 'crew' or is this a gang? they both seem pointless and shitty to me
"The Street Brutality Tour" haha holy shit i just read this
Nobody deserves to die at a hardcore show BUT.... if FSU in AZ act like FSU everywhere else then this shouldn't suprise anyone. Seriously. Jock mentality.
stop running your mouths about everything. none of you even know what the fck happend. you talk shit on FSU any chance you get. would any of you even do anything to a person thats involved with FSU? NO SO SHUT THE fck UP!!!
You reap what you sow. If you go around fcking with other people and starting fights it's going to come back around to you. Karma is a bitch like that.
I am no in fsu nor is there even an FSU Maryland but I hope that every one of you talking shit about FSU and this whole incident get your asses beat by your local FSU. Shut the fck up!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA FSU in rapid city SD.......AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA*wipes sweat of face*
This just proves that bullets are FSU's only weakness.
unfortunatly form what some kids form tuscon said it wasn't an fsu kid. it was a local kid. but god i hope it was an FSU kid, if it had to be anyone at all.
exactly antihero. you act like a jock with no dick, get treated like one too. if you dont like the violence, then stop preachin it
Hey x208x, get fcked douche bag. Nobody stands up to FSU cuz those c*nts pull hammers and roll in packs of like 30. If it wasnt for them "kickin ass" this wouldn't have happend you fckin retard.
This aint the fckin source awards. People cant even fckin brawl anymore without havin to worry about gettin shot. Weak.
It's pretty easy for anyone who hasn't had FSU come to their town at least once and ruin a show, to sit here and say "shut the fck up, you'd never say that shit to their faces". Yeah, cause I love getting jumped by 50 fcking dudes over moshing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. okay wait. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
i personally enjoy how FSU gets their girlfriends to start fights with people so they have an excuse to be jerks
To Meshia. At a show here. Donnybrook brought a fcking gun to the show. And you're standing up for the FSU kids. More than likely, people heard about that type of shit and came prepared. Sad news anytime someone dies though.
The only way this story would get any cooler is if that dude had kids.
because if this I'm going to start tagging FSU all over every gang tag thrown up around my city...hopfully it'll piss off some real toughguys and we'll see more gay FSU blood shed
maybe i've been out of the loop a long time, but what is with everyone being so damn homophobic, saying gay/pssy all the time? by the way, the last time i looked, my pssy wasn't an insult.
why are you being PC right now??? this has nothing to do with homophobia.
sorry. maybe i should have said, "why is everyone being sexist and ignorant" then? my apologies. i'm not pc, just anti-hate.
this is THE greatest piece of news i have seen on this website
im from tucson, and i wasnt there last night. but im appauled about what ive been hearing. FSU or not, that dude wanted to start shit with people i know and he asked for it. no one should die. bottom line.
its not like FSU is going to throw him some elaborate funeral or anything.
Unfortunately this is the beginning. It's obviously only going to get worse. Simple solution. Don't support bands like that if you don't like the violence.
i am from tucson. the dudes that were involved were meat heads. the only thing about this that is shocking that it didnt happen sooner. i knew these idiots were going to ruin what was left of the tucson scene. plus toiletfleet had the best comment.
For real though, FSU just won the ACC Championship. I think that counts for something.
i agree, if you dont the message that the band puts out, dont fckin go to the show to support them. that fckin simple. ive dealt with both bands numerous times, and they have both been respectful to me, my friends, and my scene.
fck! It wasn't a FSU dude who got killed... http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/106053.php - Victim Identified as fan from Mesa.
It the fcking violent hxc posturing these fcking bands pour into their listeners' heads. fck them and their fans. The world is better off w/o them all.
how do you know that isn't the FSU guy, it just says his name.
i was there and saw the whole thing a bunch of fcking bullshit and i didnt get home until 330 am after talking to cops
if it really was some FSU fck, this is the best news I've heard in quite some time. Also, the comments on that FSU myspace page had me laughing my ass off. fck them, I wish they all could have been shot.
What the fck is FSU. I'm either way out of the loop, or extremely happy that my knowledge of hardcore gangs is so limited.
stupid fckin jerk...because of this, more kids will be acting like douche bags and less venues will be willing to put on shows. sadly it's the truth.
I am sure this had nothing to do with hardcore kids because Hardcore kids don't carry guns to shows.
Nevermind, it was an FSU dude that got whacked. http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread& entryID=9770540&groupID=100925696&adTopicID=22&Mytoken=12064708-10C1-9 D6D-79CB6755C58DEA0912878203
good, i hope everyone at that show and the dead guy and the bands all get arrested for grand theft! I'm totally illiterate and don't know what happened? Hardcore just got aweeeesomeeeeee gayGGGGGGGgggggggggots. ugh.
Somebody finally did what tons of kids have wanted to do for years and put these fckers down. fck FSU. fckin jock bullshit. Go make some hats and t-shirts and the sell them to fat kids with bad tattoo's, jerks.
This whole gang mentality in hardcore is fcking bull shit, the kids claiming unity are the ones fcking it up. fck you guys no one deserves to die not even this gay.
Most of the time when you guys go home taking about "i fcked people up tonight" it was mostly innocent kids who had nothing to do with a fight just kids who wanted to watch a show. Shows are about having fun not a god damn boxing ring.
"if you don't like it, don't support them" because that brings this guy back to life, good one. retards.
I remember the time my friend knocked Joe Hardcore out with 25 of his FSU buddies watching. That was funny.
I think it is really pathetic that all of you think is ok that someone got killed. I dont care if people consider FSU to be jerk or if you like the way they do things, it does not justify someone being killed.
actually, IF he was indeed coming after someone with a weapon, it IS justified both according to the law and the moral code of pretty much everyone in the world.
The guy killed wasn't in FSU..And you're a dolt if you think homicide is justified for someone in FSU. I mean..they are jerks but they don't deserved to be killed. Shot? yes. Killed? no.
For one, what kind of tough guy uses a gun? So calling this tough-guy bullshit is fcking dumb. Secondly, if you're talking shit on FSU, you probably got your ass handed to you by one at a show and you probably deserved it.
FSU have helped the hardcore scene out more than you know. So run your mouth, newjacks. You'd never say a fcking thing to their faces. So you cowardly scumbags need to grow a pair or stop typing.
its hammer time! :::dances::: somebody link the dead guys myspace...
'Secondly, if you're talking shit on FSU, you probably got your ass handed to you by one at a show and you probably deserved it'. people have been saying that for years, it's my favorite completely unverifiable HC post.
Crews = Gangs. Gangs = retarded. Retarded = bad. Bad = good. Wait. Uhh...Good = bad. Yes. Anyways, this news gay.
In other news, Snoop Dogg was reportedly seen fleeing the scene shortly thereafter
FSU. Ruining hardcore shows since 1990.
if they wanted to impress me, someone should have shot someone with a sling shot. that'd be more manly, gays.
My respects go out to his family and friends. Rumors are rumors and a man died, for bullshit. Petty 'scene drama' over who moshes harder. And who hit who.
It's a real shame when something with the potential for such positivity such as the hardcore scene is destroyed when despite all cries for UNITY, everyone feels the need to protect themselves in gangs.
It's an even bigger shame when despite the fact a man lost his life over this, and others were seriously injured with other weapons. No lesson will be learned and the only moral that will be taken home by this will be VENGEANCE.
FSU = hot garbage. This is not what Minor Threat, Black Flag or Youth of Today stood for. Unity is one thing. Elitist bullshit is another.
Whether or not FSU was involved with this is beside the point. I've heard enough stories from friends and witnessed enough bullshit at shows to understand their politics are fcking stupid.
Anybody from Seattle who has ever wondered why a lot of the crew at the El Corazon (the Graceland) are a bunch of jerks shouldn't be suprised to find out that a lot of those dudes are in FSU.
why are people still posting about this? shitty bands. shitty dudes. shitty news. get over it
Here's the guys MYSPACE PAGE who passed away: http://www.myspace.com/hairy_darrin Seems FSU based on what he claims.
So let's all blame FSU when an FSU member was the one who was killed. Riiiiiiiiight. fcking morons. All of you need to get AIDs.
of course blame FSU. why feel sorry for them when dosed with their own medicine? how many kids did this douchebag blindside or jump before he got his? exactly. now shut up.
they are the instigators. no one in the cemetary is going to dance on this fella.
Wow...gay. I really hope there aren't FSU douchebags around here (Albany)...there probably are though :(
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By: sawtooth on 12/8/2005 2:52:24 PM lets not forget the important thing here,AT LEAST SOMEBODY DIED.
RIP ... The bands are playing together in what Donnybrook's Web site calls "The Street Brutality Tour." ... the media's gonna love this one...
not_your_scene 12/8/2005 2:43:39 PM sorry. maybe i should have said, "why is everyone being sexist and ignorant" then? my apologies. i'm not pc, just anti-hate. well, you sure arent anti baby, you crying gay
belligerent jerks will kill off hardcore, then it'll rise again in a few years. it's just a cycle, really.
Donnybrook claim LA. Those fckers are from Downey or Whittier...the burbs!!!! I bet Scott Vogel pulled the trigger, then booked it so one of his boys would take the fall.
What the hell? Neither Simon Brody nor Drowningman are mentioned in this story.
good riddance i'm glad that gay fck got shot. fck fsu.
There is always someone bigger, stronger, and dumber than you. It's a fcking hardcore show, not the ghetto.
Anything pertaining to this is not worth this pages time.....grow the fck up pussies
heeeeeeeey lambgoat! be sensitive for once, will ya?!
SHREDMYASS SHOULD OF WENT AND GOTTEN HIS fckING BRAINS BLOWN OUT
Man, just found out the dude who did the shooting was being attacked w/ a mechete by the victim. FSU dude guy got what was coming to him. He simply attacked the one guy w/ the gun and basically killed himself.
if you are in a gang and you die, tough shit man, what the fck did you expect? violence begets violence - study gandhi you apes and then maybe you will understand...
i'm glad you all degrade the loss of someone's life. it doesn't matter who he was, he was a person. a lot of people got hurt and watching someone lose their life is never a fcking joke.
the thing that's important to remember is this : if you weren't there, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED SO SHUT THE fck UP ABOUT IT.
oh, somebody got shot. stop your crying. that's just life. things have a way of getting back at you
first off its really shitty that a person, whether he was linked to FSU or not, died at a hardcore show. that just sucks. i thought something like this would happen in LA not AZ
it's funny how fsu members here say that we, you know the other people, dont know the first thing about the group and then we are threatened with "i bet you would never say that to their faces" "grow a pair"
keep saying stuff like that. it only enforces that you are in a gang and should be looked at by the police the same fashion other gangs are looked at
please tell me what you do for hardcore or the community. what positivity does your "group" attribute to society? who are you helping besides yourself?
that is a question i would love to answered without being threatened or yelled at. thanks to one member, however, who took the time to explain what really happened.
I just noticed 187 replies, Amen to that! This is 188. buck buck.
I carry a gun to shows, but only because I carry a gun on me all the time anyway as I'm legally allowed to. VA is nice like that.
My main concern is that they only killed one FSU member. There's plenty more out there. Don't give up, Tucson!
What do youy expect when you fcks start thinking you're rappers, calling eachother niggaz and shit. fck you ignorant little fckers, fck tuff guy bands and fck FSU's too. You're all the same pieces of shit.
ps. This is not what hardcore was about pre-Biohazard, this is their fault. Die in a fire you lame dicks.
if you came at me with a mechete, id shoot you too. end of story. for 27 he wassn't very smart.
from his Myspace profile: Goal You Would Like To Achieve This Year: oh so many (new car, make it to Utah, figure myself out).....Well I have him figured out: rotting corpse
"BRUCE LEE'S ON MY HEAD BUT DONT CALL ME A LEE HEAD" Male 27 years old mesatown, Arizona United States Last Login: 12/08/2005...................FSU's got his back on myspace logins
Yeah well showed those hardcore gays what's up all that fist fighting and knife play gets your ass shot, you might get up from a windmill attack, but not no gun, whoever had the gun and did the shooting wins in my book.
200th post bitches. Care level=0%
Well, it happened...dude, I got AIDS. And not a moment too soon. I'm totally swamped at work and I've got all this filing to do. How did you know I needed clerical AIDS? You're the tops my friend.
He and the Myspace suicide kid are posting bulletins in Scene Heaven right now.
yet another myspace mystery..he's online from hell? i don't get it.
This is the most complete version of the story I've found. This dude certainly doesn't sound that innocent: http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/106223.php
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whatchingufckthruawindow or w/e.NO MATTER WHAT!u dont ever bring a gun to a show.thats a pssy and cowardly way to be prepared.FSU,don't bring guns. and not all FSU are jerks.MOST r good friends of mine.
why are people leaving comments to him on his myspace? he can't read them.
If the dude attacked someone with a weapon, he absolutely deserved to be shot. What would you do? Reason with the motherfcker? Give me a break.
http://www.interpunk.com/item.cfm?Item=13356& <------ Proof that people are only in it to show off the weight of their fists and not for the music.
To every moron on here saying only pussies use guns, I'd rather be a pssy than dead. Which is what that FSU gay is now :-) And yea, it's real 'manly' to attack unarmed people with machetes and hammers instead. Idiots.
Seriously, fck all of you kids. FSU member or not, that was a life. I fcking met those guys. they have KIDS. they have families. this is ridiculous, how all of you can sit here an go on about this person like that.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you have kids maybe you shouldn't act like a violent thug jackoff. fck tough guys and bullshit gangster posturing. It's supposed to be about music, not how small your c-ck is.
So, for everyone who was wondering it WASNT an FSU member that got shot, it was a friend of a friend. A kid got pissed off becasue he was on the sidelines and got hit.
he started a fight lost and went home. came back with a gun. A brawl started. the fsu kids pulled out hammers. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF SOMEONE PULLED OUT A GUN? Good job at being idiots, guys.
bravewordsxbloodyknuckles, shut the fck up. You wern't there. YOU HAVE NO fckING IDEA WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
like the guy above me said, you have no idea what happened, this bullshit about some kid getting angry and going home to get his gun- he couldnt have just gone home, he lives at least 45 minutes away. i know him. hes a good man who defended himself.
you know there's something wrong in the metal/hardcore scene when a thread about some random dude getting shot gets more views than the tragic death of dimebag darrell. weak.
fck dimebag, also the dude how go shot, WIFE & KIDS.....27..... hmmm,
I know what you mean midget knife fight. That just shows you there's a lot more hardcore gays than metal heads on this board. fcking gay shit.
yeah us gay hardcore kids,too bad you would never say this anyones face who is in FSU.Keyboards make people so brave these days.
Hahahah all these violent jerks are constantly hardcore dancing their physical force out, and when it comes to a serious physical conflict they have to inflict pain through a fcking gun. Oh well. SHATTERED REALM SHOULD TOUR TORONTO
id gladly shoot someone if it was someone 10 years older and 100 lbs bigger than me swinging a hammer at my head... no remorse
december 8th is shitty day, 2 years in a row. i hope that this time someone horrible kicks the bucket.
I'm from Tucson, Arizona and this is still the 2nd biggest shock after the dimebag shooting. I still stare in amazement when I think about this shit. Skrappys was a good place. There gonna close that shit down pretty soon. :(
Too bad it wasn`t a fcking gay metalhead shot by the FSU instead.
This was such a beautiful moment! We need to shoot more FSU fgts. Every single fgt in that crew deserves to be raped and tortured
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