NewsAugust 20, 2014 2:05 PM ET39,079 views

ex-Betrayal drummer arrested for child pornography

Tony Ramirez, drummer of California hardcore band Betrayal, was arrested on July 25 in Vancouver, WA on suspicion of both possessing and dealing child pornography. Ramirez, age 22, was arraigned on August 8th on a handful of charges, including two counts of first-degree dealing of images depicting a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct. Ramirez, who moved to Vancouver from Lake Elsinore, CA roughly nine months ago, reportedly uploaded three sexually explicity images of minor girls (ages 6-12) to servers at Google. The company reported the matter to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who ultimately passed on the information to police. Our research indicates that following his arrest, Ramirez was jailed in Vancouver and his next hearing is scheduled at Clark County Superior Court in October. UPDATE: Now that the cat is out of the bag, Betrayal has issued a statement:
"We just wanted to address everything going on with Tony. First, I want to say how shocked and disappointed we are about the allegations in the news regarding him. This is something that we would have never expected to hear about him. With that being said, Tony has not been a member of Betrayal for over two years. He had some unfortunate events happen in his life that did not allow him to commit full time and be a member of this band. If you follow us, you would notice that Tony hasn't been in our promo pictures or on tour with us in quite some time. We sincerely hope these alegations prove to be false, but regardless, this is something that we do not take lightly and something that shouldn't be reflected upon Betrayal."
For the record, we did not originally refer to Ramirez as an "ex" member for several reasons: Ramirez listed himself as Betrayal's drummer on Facebook; the band has not provided any current roster or lineup updates for quite some time (something we requested several weeks ago); and Ramirez referred to Betrayal as "my band" as recently as several months ago. Thanks to Ms. Achen and The Columbian for their assistance.

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anonymous 8/20/2014 11:11:02 AM

Going to be an awkward tour.

anonymous 8/20/2014 11:12:16 AM

What a fckhead

anonymous 8/20/2014 11:14:39 AM

...Who?

anonymous 8/20/2014 11:15:54 AM

Steve Klein is stoked

anonymous 8/20/2014 11:16:23 AM

Burn in hell scumbag.

anonymous 8/20/2014 11:17:41 AM

Maybe him and the Lostprophets guy can start a prison band. They have similar interests.

anonymous 8/20/2014 11:22:37 AM

his butthole is sure to be betrayeled

thetowerofrome 8/20/2014 11:25:06 AM

fcking wow.

sandpaperseatbelts 8/20/2014 11:26:14 AM

Surely the fact he looks like a basement dwelling neckbeard has nothing to do with this.

anonymous 8/20/2014 11:46:01 AM

get your satisfaction, get your fix. Scumbag

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:07:33 PM

CHRIS HANSON FILE

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:09:50 PM

Hopefully that f*g Sean gets arrested and that stupid band breaks up. Barron flip

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:09:54 PM

He was better off being into black guys.

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:10:22 PM

SINCE WE WERE KIDS! SKATECORE

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:21:08 PM

this is fcking stupid. anyone who believes the shit this unreliable website posts is a fcking idiot as well. tony is not a bad person, he plays for a church band for fcks sake. this isn't even band drama, you're messing with somebody's life. this post should be taken down because your "facts" are all over the place.

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:21:14 PM

When does this episode of To Catch A Predator air?

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:25:19 PM

Robin Williams is shocked

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:26:25 PM

source site # 1: http://www.columbian.com/n ews/2014/jul/28/vancouver- man-accused-having-and-dea ling-child-por/

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:28:32 PM

To said anon arguing that he is a good guy and is in a church band.. are you fcking kidding me? Going to church and believing in Jesus means absolutely nothing to what type of person you are. I'm sorry, but you don't get arrested on suspicion when it comes to this sh*t.

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:31:07 PM

and you don't know the full story, jerk ^

tronxtaylor 8/20/2014 12:34:28 PM

Real cool dragging Betrayal into a former member's shit. Brendan, Sean, and Andrew are some of the best human beings on the planet. fck this.

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:35:47 PM

Explicity

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:44:28 PM

Bet these dudes still troll for high school aged prissy at Warped Tour

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:45:02 PM

Lol at this. straight scumbag

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:53:39 PM

This should not even be MENTIONING Betrayal, this dude hasn't played in that band for ages. Bummer publicity for them. Shocking though, I've met the dude a bunch and he seemed alright, gotta watch those quiet ones though.

anonymous 8/20/2014 12:57:47 PM

WHO THE fck IS BETRAYAL

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:03:49 PM

Google is LARGELY known to report any sexually explicit material involving children that is uploaded through their database to the proper authorities. you can find all of that information on their website itself. whether you believe he did it or not is irrelevant to their findings. hope he's prosecuted to the fullest extent, absolutely disgusting.

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:03:50 PM

6 note breakdowns are in utter shock

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:21:08 PM

SINCE WE WERE KIDS "SKATECORE" DROPS AUG 30TH

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:32:59 PM

This is insane. I worked with tony at a retail store and would have never guess this unforgivable behaivor. Dont look down on betrayl for this!! The rest of the band consist of great people. Cant believe it man.

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:34:31 PM

Frankie Palmeri is hard

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:41:08 PM

Ive always have child pRon on my computer sometimes I find 2000 a day. I typically get off three or four times to my new pictures a day. Rule #1 Keep it secret Rule #2 If your going to talk about it post from public computers like I am doing now. Youre gold.

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:42:07 PM

Fool hasn't even toured with Betrayal since like 2014 unless it was a big tour fool thought he was a rockstar but just a fcking creep. Pathetic .

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:43:25 PM

2012*

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:44:10 PM

I'm confused, these dudes were in South Africa last year and he was with them. I call bullshit on that statement.

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:45:04 PM

Just came over the comments. Ooops, for the comments. Lots of sickos on here.

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:50:17 PM

this makes me wanna BLEGH

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:50:28 PM

BLEGH

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:50:59 PM

I pleasure myself 3 times a day.

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:52:24 PM

^ do u have child porns?

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:53:04 PM

HAHAHHAHA I AINT SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

anonymous 8/20/2014 1:58:35 PM

well this is just fcked up. Betrayal are probably some of the coolest and nicest people i know and have ever met.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:04:50 PM

The reasons why men want sex with a younger woman or girl 13-15) are obvious.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:07:53 PM

^Really how is it obvious a man would want sex with a 13-15 year old girl???

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:09:33 PM

lol sounds like some people on here are jealous

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:12:24 PM

"child porn sucks people who have it they are pussies" blah blah blah meanwhile everyones on here in their mommas basement wanking to honey boo boo nudes and watching this get over 30,000 views and over 300 comments.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:17:51 PM

What is wrong with these Betrayal guys?? How is a 13 year old girl or boy attractive in any way? I just don't understand. These stories are becoming an everyday occurrence.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:18:48 PM

^^^ its an ex member. not the whole band dips hit

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:19:52 PM

Why is there no mugshot anywhere? Oh yeah I forgot this is a publicity stunt. Nice try website.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:22:27 PM

If he's a predator, I say punish him.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:26:03 PM

He wasn't a bad looking guy - he could have had almost any lady .. why go for a kid???? people are strange

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:27:34 PM

Murder death kill probably supplied the videos #olddudesactinghardtrynaf* ck14yearolds

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:28:20 PM

#truestory ^

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:29:28 PM

I know the other Betrayal members weren't charged but could they be guilty of grooming a pedophile?

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:38:38 PM

Swag.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:38:45 PM

It's disturbing reading every week about a new predator. I don't get it. I'll never get it.

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:39:17 PM

^^^ what does that even mean? ^^^

anonymous 8/20/2014 2:45:37 PM

Underage rampage really seems to be trending this year, like that whole ice bucket thing :/ y'all sageaz need jesus.

anonymous 8/20/2014 3:16:41 PM

I was lookin at my kiddie porn stash on my 320 gb external and heard Betrayal on liquid metal the other night when I was beating off. Not bad.

anonymous 8/20/2014 4:11:52 PM

SINCE WERE KIDS love grannie porn! Record drops Aug 30th

anonymous 8/20/2014 4:14:07 PM

Wait? Blood Stands Still and MDK are Since We Were Kids?

anonymous 8/20/2014 4:25:58 PM

It's sad people are so quick to believe the worst of someone. Tony is a great guy. And whatever is going on should not affect the band he used to play for. Rock on Betrayal. Wishing you all the best in the future.

anonymous 8/20/2014 4:52:43 PM

So the Drummer Had Betrayed the Band?

anonymous 8/20/2014 4:54:02 PM

Because the whole "being a Christian" thing proved to be true for Tim lambesis..

anonymous 8/20/2014 5:01:30 PM

Chris Hansen will jump on this.

anonymous 8/20/2014 5:28:22 PM

Not a current member of the band, but obviously not a good story for lambgoat if they can't smear a bands name in the process. The rest of the guys are cool. Shitty that they're all getting dragged through the mud because of the fcked up actions of one dude not even tied with the band anymore.

Mitt__Romney 8/20/2014 5:43:21 PM

PRISON GUARDS WHO HAVE TO CLEAN UP A MURDERED INMATE AREN'T STOKED......MY CAPS IS BROKE AS WELL.

anonymous 8/20/2014 5:54:14 PM

^^^^^Tony is my friend and reading that seriously makes me sick to my stomach. Its fcked up what he did but talking like that is disgusting. Oh and for people that think that being a Christian makes you perfect and means you don't do fcked up things... You are going to be very disappointed your entire life.

anonymous 8/20/2014 6:13:08 PM

fck this dude. And Betrayal sucks anyways.

anonymous 8/20/2014 8:36:31 PM

wierd, i thought he was gay

anonymous 8/21/2014 12:45:48 AM

Sadly, this is true. He worked with me recently at a retail store in Oregon. He didn't show up for work one day. No call no show. Out boss was then notified about what happened. As far at Betrayal. Tony has been living on Washington for at least 10 months now. He has only left once to "play" with betrayal. In japan. If he went it play, or just to support, I'm not sure. However betrayal does have pictures of a different drummer.

anonymous 8/21/2014 2:06:33 AM

He's not tied to the band. Shut the fck up with your racism and ignorant bullshit. Don't act like you aren't a piece of shit either.

anonymous 8/21/2014 4:26:46 AM

^ Pretty sure you are the piece of shit here, defending this facking creep.

anonymous 8/21/2014 6:08:17 AM

he and the lost prophets goon can share a 10 by 24 cell together...

RobinWilliams 8/21/2014 6:20:10 AM

"anonymous 17 hours ago Robin Williams is shocked" Actually....I wasn't that surprised.

anonymous 8/21/2014 9:04:42 AM

Being a Christian doesn't mean you are perfect. And it doesn't mean you don't have struggles, trials and temptations. It does mean you have a heavenly Father that loves you unconditionally. He wants you to have a good life. He will forgive you and restore your life. "If you confess your sins (and we all have them) He is faithful to forgive your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness." 1John 1:9. & all you have to do is believe in Jesus!

anonymous 8/21/2014 10:02:54 AM

I have seen Betrayal multiple times, most recently on august 31, 2013. I know for a fact that the drummer being charged for this hasn't been a part of the band for years. The dudes in Betrayal are fcking awesome guys and everyone should check their shit out!! \m/

anonymous 8/21/2014 11:55:33 AM

Hung out with tony a lot. Hed chug beer and take tokes as quick as he could when the band mates weren't looking. Dude could seriously play the drums.. but uh... yuck dude. fcked for life now.

anonymous 8/21/2014 12:14:39 PM

78 ppl, 78 gays, you morons?

anonymous 8/21/2014 12:25:54 PM

i know these guys i know toney he's good he's also a pedophile

anonymous 8/21/2014 12:27:34 PM

my captcha is younger

anonymous 8/21/2014 12:29:15 PM

If he could really play the drums why did he play with betrayal every 4 yrs as everyone is claiming here I'm calling bs.

anonymous 8/21/2014 12:36:18 PM

typo - *you morons!

anonymous 8/21/2014 1:51:21 PM

Lol kyle My captcha is 137

anonymous 8/21/2014 1:55:17 PM

Thats like saying omar hakim is not good at drums because he plays for Madonna. Tony could shred hard but just happened to be in a shitty band.

anonymous 8/21/2014 2:12:33 PM

God has just smiled at you all! New American Standard Bible translation: "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' - Matthew 25:40

anonymous 8/21/2014 2:18:06 PM

listen to Madonna's albums and live and you immediately know Omar was an in demand drummer holding back waiting to unload, not playing a show every 4 yrs with a band who could have made it on the charts if they'd just found a reasonable drummer not addicted to pedophilia.

anonymous 8/21/2014 2:46:25 PM

lol kyle. My captcha is 2868.

anonymous 8/21/2014 3:59:18 PM

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, jten he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him kill be gathered lall the nations, and mhe will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates nthe sheep fom the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then othe King will say to phose on his right, 'Come, you qho are blessed by my Father, rinheit sthe kingdom tprpared for you ufrom the foundation" --Matthew 25:1

anonymous 8/21/2014 4:43:41 PM

He was also in Sovereign Strength and Destruction of a King

genghisjohn 8/21/2014 6:36:51 PM

The fake sound of porn sex

anonymous 8/22/2014 4:40:59 AM

Wait, I thought the government subsisidized child porn in Canada?

anonymous 8/22/2014 8:53:29 AM

For the last time you have betrayed us!

anonymous 8/22/2014 12:39:35 PM

yes, this is true. yes, tony downloaded child pornography. no, he didn't deal it to people. think he's a good guy who got caught up and yes he should be punished, absolutely. he was one of my best friends and i still think what he did was absolutely sick and wrong and i can't believe its true, but not all of these charges are accurate. lambgoat is reporting off of another article that posted the charges over a month ago.

anonymous 8/22/2014 12:40:39 PM

also, betrayal had nothing to do with this shit. he moved over 10 months ago and those guys dropped him as soon as they found out what he did.

snoopy2 8/23/2014 6:14:55 PM

For those who insinuates that church going men are naturally "good people" and thus automatically will never possess underage pornography ... What the fck do you guys think half the priests in the western hemisphere gets exposed and charged with? Get with the program and welcome to yesterday you dumbasses




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