Terror and possibly all hardcore banned from Ridglea Theater after security incident
Last week during a show at the Ridglea Theater in Forth Worth, Texas, a security guard felt the need to grab the mic and shout "I don't think so!" before handing the mic back to Terror vocalist Scott Vogel. The story has since gone viral, being posted across social media, including our own Instagram thread, which brought out fans to call out the venue for past practices.
Earlier today we reported No Cure and Mychildren Mybride were backing out of a show there, instead moving to a separate venue.
Throughout today, May 8, in the Lambgoat Instagram comment thread, things were stirring, as we saw public responses from the Ridglea Theater President as well as the production company behind the event. Along with all the public comments, we received a response from Ridglea Theater in our inbox stating their policy:
"Ridglea Theater complex has a zerotolerance for
Stage diving
Kicking, punching, windmilling
Ejected
The people in the crowd were attempting to jump the barricades to get on the stage, only one ejection for kicking a minor in the front row.
Our security did a great job and exhibited a lot of restraint after being hit, punched by a very rowdy crowd."
In addition to that, all of the public statements can be read on the 168+ comment thread on our Instagram post embedded below.
We've tried our best to summarize it all for you below. Strap in, it's a doozy.
The comments were largely critical of the venue, with one fan tagging The Dallas Observer asking them to comment on the allegations made against the theater in the past, namely in a Bored Magazine article.
The production company for the show, Third String Productions responded saying it has "nothing to do with them" and that they've held multiple meetings to turn things around, choosing to withhold statement until a meeting on Tuesday, May 9."@dallasobserver would your music department be interested in running an article about @ridgleatheater staff assaulting concergoers during the @terrorhardcore @frozensoultx show put on by @thirdstringproductions ? I think your readers would like some answers about security establishing a pattern for over a year assaulting their paying customers"
The full comment read:
"Has nothing to do with us. We had multiple meetings to try to turn things around here prior to the show and change the reputation of the venue and how things operate.
Not making any statements until after we meet with them Tuesday to see how they respond and because there was a mass shooting here that seems substantially more important than us making a statement on a concert at this time."
Elsewhere on the thread, Ridglea Theater President Gerald "Jerry" Shults (yes, this Gerald Shults) was way ahead of the Tuesday meeting, leaving statements, and responding to multiple threads explaining what happened at the show.
One fan asked:
"your customers are trying to tell you something. Are you listening?"
Shults followed up with a definite, "Yes, we are banning Terror, and maybe all hardcore," the comment reading:
"Yes we are banning terror, and maybe all hardcore. Don't know of a venue in dfw that will allow stage diving, punching, kicking and crowd killing, all the while bitching about everything"
Furthermore, he let his feelings be known on the band by saying:
"Terror worst excuse for a band I have seen in 20 years, lead singer sucks"
Shults continued in other comments across the thread:
"I clearly don't want the hardcore scene, its a disaster. All metal is great, wish they didn't mix the two genres together. No problems with black dahlia people, this insanity of people have a right to stage dive, kicking and punching, crowd killing is the problem.
I admit we could always do better, but in case terror decided they wanted to incite a riot maybe for publicity?
So it's no problem:) terror is banned. Hardcore know our house rules, no stage diving, kicking, punching, crowd killing period. Knocked loose and others know this and don't try to cause a riot like terror did. Doubt there is a venue in dfw that will take them.
Basically I didn't know a hardcore band was on the bill when third string booked the theater, thought it was all death metal. Btw we just rent space and depend on the people booking to tell the bands and tour manager our policies. I told them right before the show and the tour manager dropped the ball"
"Basically mixing metal and hardcore on the same lineup just invites disaster. Metal wants to mosh, core wants to kick, punch, stage dive and crowd kill. They don't mix
Mosh was awesome, crowd surfing cool, barricade's jumping and attempted stage diving were the problem. , plus continued punching at security"
Shults also explained the reasoning behind the now infamous "I don't think so!":
"(it was) in response to the lead singer saying we get everyone to rush the stage ( stage diving) so Brian said 'I don't think so' lololol"
A fan chimed in saying:
"What happened was Scott threw the mic into the crowd for people in the crowd to sing which is customary at a hardcore show."
Shults then explained further and had one final stinger for the fan:
"Nope he threw it at Brian after he bragged he was going to get the crowd to mob them and Brian said 'I don't think so.'
That maybe the Ridglea Theater new r shirt and slogan:)"
With all of that laid out, we'll leave you for some food for thought...
Can hardcore and metal fans coexist at shows? Gerald Shults doesn't think so, at least not according to the last message he left in our inbox:
"Metal fans rock, so far hardcore fans just want to screw things up for metal fans. Core 'dancing' equals crowd killing, mosh pits and crowd surfing is chill
Stage diving is a recipe for the venue getting sued
Hardcore and metal don't mix"
Update: Third String Productions have shared an official statement on the matter via social media saying:
"We will no longer be booking any shows at Ridglea Theater or Ridglea Room. I think the reasoning is obvious, we want nothing to do with their actions and views on the music we promote and the culture we love. We were optimistic we would be heard and be able to turn things around from their past issues but last weekend was proof they are stuck in their ways and we want no part of that."
137 comments
Post CommentSo glad we got to hear from the "Presi". Stupid f*cking site.
This guy sounds like a 14 year old girl posting MySpace bulletins
I hope TMZ cites lambgoat for this excellent journalism
strap in, it's a doozy strap in, it's a doozy strap in, it's a doozy strap in, it's a doozy
"Terror worst excuse for a band I have seen in 20 years, lead singer sucks" He's got a point…
He dun goofed. Consequences will never be the same!
This dude did 3 years in federal prison in Texas, he definitely took it in the ass. f*ck this scumbag and his shitty bloodline.
Good. Ban these low-IQ retards. Watch one of them sue the venue now like that dude did to the bakery that wouldn't bake a cake for his gay wedding. You got mogged by a security guard and the whole scene is seething. Pathetic.
All this is on The Black Dahlia Murder. They did not vet this venue properly. This was not the venue to have the show at. Also this is TERRIBLE publicity for hardcore shows. Now word is out fans kick & punch & let's get real: no reputable live music venue is gonna allow that.
What we really need is a beatdown show and invite a bunch of FSU meat heads. Security will be earning their paycheck then...
Security here should really lighten up and live a little
So to summarize- Retards act retarded. In texas. Pulitzer incoming
Ridlea banning hardcore shows is a homophobic dog whistle, did they not know that the hardcore scene is 59% gay according to the ADL?
Can metal and hardcore fans coexist at shows? I don't know if we have enough data from the past 40 years
Can't they solve this like real Texans and just recklessly shoot at one another with minimal consequences?
Hardcore is the most cringe shit in music history. f*ck all these bands.
OK so the Ridglea Theater President, a convicted felon and ex con, runs a venue that employs a registered sex offender to work security at ALL AGES shows, and he has the balls to get high and mighty on the hardcore scene because of stage dives and crowd piles???
Honestly, I can't stand the stupid hardcore dancing. It's a huge annoyance to see that at a metal show. Moshing and stage diving is all that's needed. f*ck these dudes swinging the arms around frantically right next to people.
"a recipe for the venue getting sued" how do literally thousands of venues across the world deal with it then?
hardcore bros: Live a little Brian: I DON'T THINK SO!
if Terror has any marketing savvy whatsoever, they've already got I DONT THINK SO shirts being printed
Marty from Zao here. Wait till he hears about metalcore's existence.
Joe Hardcore here, did you guys know the Allen Texas shooter covered in Nazi tattoos was a liberal psyop?
No one is reading all of that: This is turning into the scandal of the century.
ONLY TWO THINGS COME FROM TEXAS, & THAT'S STEERS & QUEERS,&BOY,-YOU AINT GOT NO HORNS!!!!
When can we unstrap ourselves from this doozy?
Hardcore dancing is the worst thing ever. Its like someone threw a few beehives into the crowd and people are trying to do something about all the bees swarming everywhere. Kind of like when someone walks into a spiderweb.
Metal heads in the crowd didn't body check the karate kids enough. Went to a metal hc mixed show with TAIM and kublai khan and we had the karate dudes moshing within 15 minutes of the concert starting. Perhaps they should send security to mosh against the karate guys instead of stealing the microphone
rick____tocchet 6 minutes ago Hardcore dancing is the worst thing ever. Its like someone threw a few beehives into the crowd and people are trying to do something about all the bees swarming everywhere. Kind of like when someone walks into a spiderweb. Bet you've gotten your ass kicked at a lot of hardcore shows then.
Terror's next album title should be I Don't Think So. Might actually be their first hard album. Vogel is a giant pussy.
Good on them. Hardcore is angry toddler incel music for angry pit ninjas that never outgrew high school.
If you don't want to get in the pit, DON'T. Stop acting like there is sand in your vagina and go order a bud light while telling your pronouns to the bartender that doesn't give af.
is this the same douche canoe in this article?https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2019/10… if it is, F*CK HIM. drag him outside tie him to a horse and drag the imbecile down the street.
What we really need is a beatdown show and invite a bunch of FSU meat heads. Security will be earning their paycheck then... Gheyyyyyy. No one wants to see that suck off fest.
Texas here. "Crowd killing" at shows: no. Literal crowd killing in public spaces: freedom.
Old guy's gonna wind up catching a madball to those pearly dental plates if he keeps this up lol. Not that I'm in favor of dumb crews beating people up for "disrespect" or whatever stunted development whinging these forty-something gorillas pant about between songs.
Terror, best band I have seen in 20 years, lead singer is a millionaire.
I think we know where the Ridglea Theater stands on Ukraine
anonymous 4 hours ago Metal 1, Hardcore 0. Eat shit, hardcore. Based. Also based Rick and Jerry Shultz. The day people stopped throwing elbows at Code Orange shows and started moshing orderly was the day I started respecting them. Hardcore bands that grow up become metal bands, and those that don't become Terror.
Terror is the best and most influential band of our lifetime. They break all the boundaries. Just wait, Pantera level.
Fred Madball here, everyone in this article and in this comment section is a pussy
Todd Jones here. Long story short but NAILS have been banned by the entire state of Tejas following one of our special "Killing Floor" sets (in which the band keeps performing until a member of the audience actually dies) that took place in El Paso a few years back. The owner of the abandoned Spirit Halloween store in which the show took place had to gall to interrupt us mid-set to explain that we didn't have the proper performance permits because a) the former Spirit Halloween building was not properly zoned for commercial artistic performances and b) it was fundamentally illegal to will the death of an observer of aforementioned artistic performance into reality for the sake of fulfillment of ancient, interstellar blood-pact rituals. The show kept happening, but I partitioned boyo's consciousness into a separate quantum field, where he will stare at my unflinching visage for millennia, never to communicate with another entity again. HIDE. VISIONS. LATERED. He will never be one of us.
Meet me outside the entrance of the NJ Transit path steps at Penn station tomorrow afternoon if you want to talk shit about Terror. I chucked a father/son combo down the stairs during Terrors set at the Cricket club in 04, Unearth didn't even get to play and the swat team had to stop my crew. Terror has been causing havoc at venues for over 20 years and I'm pissed I missed this, reminds me of gigs at city gardens and the pipeline. https://blabbermouth.net/news/unearth-irvington-show-shut-down
Samoan Bob here, Terror is girlfriend Hardcore come to a real show and see my band Crowd Deterrent
The "I Don't Think So" clip is currently tied for BEST COMMENT OF 2023 with the Presi saying Terror is the worst band. #gems
Pitbull Dan and Barron here....love this energy.
Banning hardcore from venues is a positive step. Take that shit back to the basement.
Could've avoided all of this if Vogel didn't do the limp wrist mic toss to the dork in the front. What a waste of time. Makes Paul Stanley look like Glen Benton.
I keep reading this as DSW. Hardcore shows are more appropriate to a DSW shoe warehouse. So few people show up you don't even need to move the displays
Vogel doesn't give to shits about the Ridglea Theater, upcoming sold out VFW tour where he is netting a clean 80,000 a show.
Scott Baio is moving out of California because of crime, homelessness and transgenders. this is the real news, not this soyboy terror shit
http://voyagedallas.com/interview/meet-jerry-shults-amy-herrig-ridglea-theater-ft-worth/<\\\\\\\\\\\ get a good look at this fool, he looks like the human equivalent of Bif from the eighties movie "weird science."
anonymous 2 hours ago rick____tocchet 6 minutes ago Hardcore dancing is the worst thing ever. Its like someone threw a few beehives into the crowd and people are trying to do something about all the bees swarming everywhere. Kind of like when someone walks into a spiderweb. Bet you've gotten your ass kicked at a lot of hardcore shows then. By who? Little twerps that crowd kill and run away like a little bitch? I grew up with the FSU losers, the SHARPS and the local crews that thought they were tough. Who are you? Some anon bum that probably crowd kills people that are looking at the band at the time and then you f*ck with them?
I was at a show, and this guy did a windmill and a punch, his shirt untucked and he coughed into in inner arm, spit, and was already out of breath. You are all too old for this.
I used to hardcore dance when I was young, retarded and thought I was cool.
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE: Terror's newest and hardest album "I Don't Think So!" is chock full of stage dives, circle pits, and sing alongs. "Blood, sweat, spit, and tears went into this record" states vocalist Scott Vogel. "We wanted to take on the world and its barricades placed by the elite security trying to keep us down from giving our fans the best experience of their sheet rock hanging lives, to give them an anthem to climb on each other and sing along at the top of their sheet rock filled lungs, to tell the authorities that try to keep them down, 'I DON'T THINK SO!'". One listen and true believers will realize this is the magnum opus by which all hardcore albums will be judged. This will be the album of the year or even the decade and when the nay sayers come out of their caves and basements to say its just a rehash of their older material, we will stand together with a unified fist in the air and yell into the ethos "I DON'T THINK SO!"
Hi, Tony Martini here. Executive,investor and industry leader. Respect. I'm looking to invest into a safer venue for hardcore bands to showcase. Willing to invest 700k at 38% interest. Reach out, respect!
Anyone else think that the I Don't Think So guy has a better voice than Vogel? It makes sense, Vogel is a janitor, this guy is a security guard. Both are poor dudes with pent up anger issues
Hi Mr Martini, John D'Esposito here, I would love to discuss this further. I have an idea for a great showcase. We already have Terror and Nails lined up. Jacob "art thief" Bannon is going to do some posters.
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Hi Mr Martini, John D'Esposito here, I would love to discuss this further. I have an idea for a great showcase. We already have Terror and Nails lined up. Jacob "art thief" Bannon is going to do some posters. ^^^^^^^ Hello JD, Tony here, respect. Your credit is not that great with me, however maybe me and my partners could do an AI festival. No, not an ALF festival. There will be no furry alien creatures or gay dads smoking crack with homeless men on stained mattresses. It's AI. Artificial Intellegence. The overhead is much lower. I can lend you $800. Unfortunately due to your current standing with me it will be at 61% interest.
lol at putting the comment count for an Instagram post in the article and lol at thinking you had anything to do with this because of it.
Vogel is a pussy and a 50-year-old teenager. Guarantee you I get on stage and punch him right in the face during their set tomorrow. Wait for the headlines!
Proof that hardcore is still a bunch of goons, children, future cops, tattoo artists, and barbers - all non-essential people to Earth.
Hardcore is just either really young kids who haven't learned to play their instrument or really old dudes too lazy to learn anything past the first four frets.
rick____tocchet 44 minutes ago anonymous 2 hours ago rick____tocchet 6 minutes ago Hardcore dancing is the worst thing ever. Its like someone threw a few beehives into the crowd and people are trying to do something about all the bees swarming everywhere. Kind of like when someone walks into a spiderweb. Rick you listen to Infant Annihilator, and push mosh. No one cares what you think
yah hardcore is full of cops. I knew it. smdh. bring back trump. bring back real hardcore. no more cl*t in the pit.
Turnstile MGR here, we would like to book Turnstile at this venue, we should have no problems since we are not hardcore
Dino here, as long as "hardcore" isn't banned from my incognito window on my laptop while I am in my bunk, I am all good.
^^^^^ good to be back, between finding a new fear factory singer and keeping up with my Onlyfans subscriptions I haven't had much time for the goat.
DIDNT READ A SINGLE WORD OF THIS STUPID SHIT
As the California band ZULU, all black powerviolence band, ended their set and began to wrap up their gear, the guitarist had a few words to say. The guitarist wanted to express his disdain and his opinion on the individual controlling the sound (let's call him the sound guy). The sound guy was wearing an article of headwear the guitarist did not approve, the MAGA (Make America Great Again) hat. The guitarist also stated that the sound guy put the hat on before the band played, making it clear of the intentional gesture to create tension
Ernie C here, I like these Zulu guys, they are real hardocre, not like this Vogel pussy terror shit
lets make it so you can't click the comments link LOL
I listen to a bunch of other bands too. You want me to list them so you can remember them and give your shit life a little bit more meaning?
bouncers causing issues/fighting fans was once the norm in hardcore. Of course in 2023 kids would rather complain about it on social media.
anonymous 10 minutes ago As the California band ZULU, all black powerviolence band, ended their set and began to wrap up their gear, the guitarist had a few words to say. The guitarist wanted to express his disdain and his opinion on the individual controlling the sound (let's call him the sound guy). The sound guy was wearing an article of headwear the guitarist did not approve, the MAGA (Make America Great Again) hat. The guitarist also stated that the sound guy put the hat on before the band played, making it clear of the intentional gesture to create tension LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
if i lived near dfw i would f*ck this guy in the ass
if anyone wants to post his personal phone # we could all have a lot of fun
"All this is on The Black Dahlia Murder. They did not vet this venue properly. This was not the venue to have the show at." Tell me you didn't read the article nor have you ever been in a band that's done anything, without actually telling me.
Joe Hardcore here, am I allowed in this venue?
Vogel doesn't give to shits about the Ridglea Theater, upcoming sold out VFW tour where he is netting a clean 80,000 a show.Vogel doesn't give to shits about the Ridglea Theater, upcoming sold out VFW tour where he is netting a clean 80,000 a show. ^Turnstile accountant here. Can confirm.
Buried Alive > Despair > Terror > Slugfest. Never listened to world be free.
One set of rules for thee, another set of rules for me. Wearing a hat is violence. Mouthing off someone because you don't like their hat is simply freedom of expression. Power-violence is mostly peaceful protest. Welcome to the Great Reset.
Buried Alive > Despair > Terror > Slugfest. Never listened to world be free.
Ban terror, they suck. Grow up, hardcore is for kids.
here is my dog https://imgur.com/gallery/iij2A
Donald J. Trump here, much like E Jean Carroll these Vagina theater people need to lighten up and live a little
He's right about the whiny part. Hardcore is without a doubt the whiniest most entitled scene on the planet
hopefully they lose hella money since everyone's ditching their crappy venue
No venue is upset about losing hardcore shows. Hardcore shows are at best tier 8 in terms of concert revenue
Bars make next to nothing on hardcore and all ages shows, nobody outside of message boards care about boycotting this venue
turnstile accountant here, i agree with the above. Look what turnstile did, we gave up on hardcore. Started playing pop. Now they are tier 3 touring with tier 2 and roping in all kinds of gash. you want to make money in this business? appeal to the ladies! the ladies don't like all that macho chest beating punching shit. the ladies also don't want to hear some fat booger eater in the crowd screaming the words into the mic. Vogel is a hardcore god (even though that god status is down at tier 6) people should hear what VOGEL has to sing. keep your mic Scott, it's a bad look. As far as this hardcore thing, as soon as you all give up on this preschool guitar riffs with screaming thing and move into sophisticated shoegaze pop with electronic beats and some 311 vibes, you won't have these problems. So let's follow the lead that Ridglea Theater set up and just move on from this hardcore thing once and for all. Take it as a sign.
This isn't over. Vogel will have the last laugh.
Im not reading all that shit. Surely it can be condensed into 3 sentences. What happened?
You should read it, it's pretty f*cking hilarious.
"Lambgoat chuds supporting bootlicking racist venue staff and owner nothing new" ^"Tolerant" liberal
Notice Vogel didn't do or say anything about it til after the show on his Instagram. That security guard would have whooped his sorry ass
anonymous 6 minutes ago Is terror in a bus or a bandwagon? This tour they had a bus cause black dahlia murder draws a lot of people. Normally they tour in Scott Vogel's moms station wagon
Ray Cappo we must listen to Vishnu and extend our fart chi to these promoters.
Bouncer here. I'm actually a mid level executive at DR Horton. Getting the security gig at this club was a revenge plot because some hardcore band said "f*ck you" online to my oldest daughter last week. My girls are my everything. If I have to do this for ten years to wipe hardcore off the face of the earth, I'll do it.
bet he wouldn't talk shit to Scott Vogel in person. texas pussies are scared of hardcore 🤣🤣🤣
"Banned at the ridglea" will be talked about like Woodstock in 50 years
Joe Hardcore here, am I allowed in this venue? ^^^ no because you need a valid driver's license to enter
Joe hardcore here, this doesn't happen at this is hardcore, just saying, plus I can actually go to that fest because I don't need to have a license to get in my own fest
Scott Vogel here, got banned from this venue but little did they know they already booked my side project where Todd jones plays every instrument at once on stage
Ghetto Josh here, if I wasn't busy selling New Found Glory shirts I'd show those security who is boss
dude is such a massive f*cking pussy lmaoooo
Man needs to see the scene in Manchester UK we are always having shows on with mixed genres, from hardcore through to thrash. It can all be done in a safe manner, it's about respecting other people's choice to express themselves. Also I think the guy needs to learn difference between Core dancing and crowd killing, being from a lifestyle and music scene that is often looked down upon by the mainstream, I would of thought that discrimination against another alt scene wouldn't exist.
They stripped me naked had me lift my ballsack up so they could check underneath it, and then had me bend over and spread my asscheeks apart so they could look inside my asshole.
"crowd killing" is the most idiotic name for assaulting oblivious people trying to enjoy a concert they paid to get into. Bring Back-Concealed Brass Knuckles. Level the playing field.-if you crowd kill, you'll get your ribs broke & your teeth knocked down your throat. Jersey Mike said "dat goes foe da' lotta yous."
Ghetto Josh would have shown that security guard who was boss 15 years ago before he got old
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Brian here. I stand by my actions and my words: I DON'T THINK SO!!!