UBI (Universal Basic Income)

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two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 5:03:53 PM
I dont think there can ever be a group in charge of determining how much all people are worth that wont inevitably turn tyrannical. Are you discussing in good faith or dismissing my concerns based on high minded optimism
suicidebears 6/22/2019 5:05:51 PM
two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 4:50:52 PM
Actually, i dont think the system is beautiful or even fully functional. But the system sb is proposing is literally slavery

not sure I put out near enough details to say I've proposed a "system", can I just say that capitalism is inherently evil all the while being someone who benefits greatly from it?
suicidebears 6/22/2019 5:07:34 PM
it's definitely high minded optimism, you're right

I know power attracts scum, but damn it can't I hope that someday it won't
suicidebears 6/22/2019 5:09:40 PM
I'm not dismissing your concerns by not replying, I'm on a phone and even on a keyboard I wouldn't be able to reply to everything you post

and you know that about yourself and others here ;-P
two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 5:10:52 PM
Meh, i get what youre saying. It ought to be better, and i agree. But im also pragmatic. And if it came down to surviving as a welatht shithead or suffering as a morally correct martyr, id have to go with the worldly choice of the shithead. But i do agree in principle
two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 5:11:07 PM
two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 5:12:55 PM
Its like raising kids. Do you preserve their innocence at all costs for as long as you can, risking that they get taken advantage of later. Or give knowledge of inqeuity, suffering, and compromising morals so they can succeed in a world that doesnt respect weakness or kindness
suicidebears 6/22/2019 5:13:57 PM
I like the idea of progressive taxation but then the haves just get better accountants to hide or recategorize earnings to avoid it

like if you can afford to do that, you'd still disagree that they have "enough"?
two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 5:17:37 PM
I can agree that some people have way more than enough, and youre right, if they have too much cash they will invest in stocks, bonds, foreign markets, real estate, etc. Shell companies would run rampant. Money would be funneled from account to account. But its sort of like that anyway.
two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 5:19:18 PM
But can you think of a way to stop that... that doesnt inevitably lead to some kind of "work without pay" situation
suicidebears 6/22/2019 5:21:02 PM
hence me loling at portslob's theoretical example of me being a real estate speculator

someone who generates no tangible value other than profit one way or the other

I'm no business expert or economist, I googled why speculation is actually important and I didn't agree with much of what I read so I'm probably prejudging it anyway
suicidebears 6/22/2019 5:21:41 PM
elect AOC as empress for life

yeah I got nothing
two_dick_rick 6/22/2019 5:22:15 PM
The rock for prez
egdirtrap 6/22/2019 5:23:07 PM
the whole process begins with personal finance.. don't backpedal and act like you're more enlightened than everyone else because you "get it" and are well off. you believe in a ducky and bunny world of equality and redistribution which isn't even close to possible. I originally jumped in here cause portslob was getting mobbed by you Bernie bots that have all the answers when he had plenty of fair points.. im not even a trump guy. I never said the current system was perfect either. I don't think anyone feels that way to be honest. im pretty much here for death metal and jokes. this is the most politics I've talked all this year simply because the idea of UBI is loony tunes. most people that agree with it are envious and lazy. hard to deny if you're willing to be honest....
BULLETHEAD 6/22/2019 5:23:25 PM
you got rich people like soundgarden and anthony bourdain killing themselves and poor people are off having the time their lives

explain that
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