For Today frontman offers non-apology to LBGT community, then deletes it
UPDATE: We wanted to clarify one thing. According to his record label, Mattie Montgomery did not post his blog entry after the dismissal of For Today guitarist Mike Reynolds, but rather many months beforehand. Said blog entry was only removed when Metal Injection publicly brought it to light. Meanwhile, we've heard from a few visitors who claim that the text in the above graphic does misrepresents Montgomery and takes his remarks out of context. While Montgomery's remarks were certainly more nuanced than our encapsulation, I don't think it deviates widely from his apparent opinion. Some of what Montgomery says I can agree with, but I'm not buying his justification for denying the right of homosexuals to marry. And I certainly don't subscribe to his beliefs relative to marriage in general.
Remember when For Today kicked out (or pretended that he left) guitarist Mike Reynolds because he spoke out against homosexuality? At the time, band frontman Mattie Montgomery apologized and all was seemingly forgotten (partially, anyway).
Fast forward several months and Mr. Montgomery chose to publish a lengthy blog entry titled "Homosexuality and the Rebellious Church," in which he outlines his beliefs relative to marriage, homosexuality, and the church. While Montgomery extends a few olive branches to the LBGT community, he makes it clear that gay marriage is not something he approves of, or even believes is possible given his stance on marriage in general. In fact, he says that he married his wife because he was commanded to by God:
Maybe I'm in the minority, but that seems like a really odd thing to say. But I suppose it helps him reconcile his opposition to gay marriage.
Either way, Montgomery has since removed his blog entry. Shocking, huh? Fortunately, or unfortunately, you can read it in its entirety below:
Before I get started, you must understand, I am not a political voice. I am in no position to institute legislation regarding civil unions or "marriage." I write from a religious perspective, as a proponent of spiritual revolution and awakening in our generation. Therefore, I will speak very little of my opinion about whether gay marriage should be legal or not—that is an issue for politicians, not preachers.
Now, on to the main point (yes, point; singular. I believe there really is only one point to be made on the subject). There is a very serious issue facing our nation right now. It is an issue of perversion and rebellion, self-worship and an extreme disregard for the Word of God. However—and this might surprise many of you–this issue is not confined to those who ascribe to a particular sexual persuasion, or even a particular religion.
I've read countless arguments both for and against homosexuality. Many people fight very passionately about this issue—and many of those people use scripture as their primary weapon. However, even within the church, this seems to have achieved very little real change. It has caused countless people to begin to view the Bible as irrelevant or outdated, and it has caused many religious people to write the LGBT community off altogether as "rebellious" and "perverse." This, however, is where the danger lies. You see, in having become so acutely focused on the issue of homosexuality, we have ignored the greater issue—and that is, that our culture as a whole—both gay and straight, religious and secular—has sought to dethrone God from the area of marriage and relationships, and establish ourselves as the ultimate authority in this area.
While the church has not been shy about condemning the LGBT community; drawing battle lines and jumping headlong into an "us vs. them" mentality, they have tried desperately to bury a number of pretty staggering facts. For example, statistics show that, in spite of the condescending position of self-righteousness and moral superiority the church has adopted, divorce rates in Christian communities are outrageous! In fact, I've seen studies which have found that, on average, 1 of every 3 Christian adults has been through at least 1 divorce*! And, within the evangelical church, the rates of domestic violence and physical abuse are equal to those in secular marriages**!
As painful as it must be to face, the church has pretty clearly established that, as a whole, they have no authority to tell the world what marriage should be, because it's become evident that, as things stand now, the church is no better off than the secular/unbelieving world. However, these staggering statistics demand that we consider one vital question: is this all because the Bible–which these Christians claim to live by–is irrelevant and powerless, or is the real issue that many Christians simply choose not to live by it?
As I stated earlier, there is a very serious issue facing our nation right now, an issue of perversion and rebellion, self-worship and an extreme disregard for the Word of God. Many Christians have used the Bible to try to transform homosexual culture, without allowing it to transform their Christian culture! You see, a devastatingly vast number of Christians refuse to live according to the same Bible that they use to accuse homosexuals. And naturally, the homosexual community cannot take these accusations seriously; because they come from a group that has, by its actions, exposed itself as a bunch of liars and hypocrites!
However, I believe with all my heart that Jesus the Christ, the Son of the Living God is the standard of righteousness for all humanity. While the church is often filled with imperfect, broken people, Christ remains our perfect standard. I have not ever—nor should any Christian–claimed to be the standard people should strive to meet. That standard is Jesus. I am not the standard, but I will spend my life introducing people to Him!
With that said, let's look at the standard Christ established for obedience (this stretches far beyond sexuality or marriage, by the way):
– "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." – John 14:15
– "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." – Matthew 7:21
– "You are my friends if you do what I command." – John 15:14
You see, this One called Jesus of Nazareth, though He's been portrayed as being soft and timid, not demanding or judgmental, was in fact very polarizing and controversial! To be His follower, it was required that you do what He commanded—and ONLY what He commanded! Anything else was considered treason against His eternal Kingdom, and put you in danger of losing your place with Him altogether!
This was something that His followers were acutely aware of. As many of them state things like:
– "You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body." – 1 Corinthians 6:19b-20
– "We must obey God rather than man!" – Acts 5:29
– "You see that a person is justified by works, and not by faith alone." – James 2:24
– "Be doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves." – James 1:22
Hopefully by now it's becoming clear. The standard to which God has called us is not just a standard of morality or ethical living. He does not demand of us that we be "good people," but that we be obedient to His commands—that we hear and obey what He is saying, trusting in faith that His plan for us is better than our own.
Contrary to popular interpretation, this does not mean that we are to do our best to live according to the morals outlined in the Bible (while that is a part of it, that is far too generalized to be relevant or applicable to every person in every situation). In fact, Jesus said, "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me." (John 5:30) Jesus understood that a sound judgment regarding whether something is right or wrong is not made just by reading a book, but by what we "hear." He also knew that it is impossible to judge rightly unless we FIRST "seek not to please [ourselves] but Him who sent [us]."
Our ability to decipher right from wrong is fully contingent upon the Holy Spirit of God living inside of us, and teaching us the perfect will of the our righteous King for every situation.
(***If you do not have the Holy Spirit living inside you, teaching you the will of God for every situation, STOP READING NOW AND PRAY OUT LOUD that the Father would give you this wonderful Helper to make His will for you clear and His Truth accessible!***)
Now, to apply this Truth to the issue at hand: The reason the church is suffering from such tragic failure in its marriage relationships is because we have failed to live by this particular revelation regarding obedience. We have said to God, "Lord, you can meet our financial needs, you can shape our views regarding religion and politics, but you are not allowed to take control of our love life. We have the ability and the right to decide who we should marry, so we don't need you to intervene in that area of our life."
However, in the midst of this great sexual revolution, the church has found a few Bible verses about homosexuality being an "abomination," and fornicators going to hell, so as a result, we've been willing to concede a little bit of our sex lives to the will of God. So we've said to the world on behalf of the God we so poorly represent: "As long as you're not gay, and you don't have sex before marriage, God will be happy with you and you can marry whomever you want." We have essentially decided that we don't need to obey, as long as we don't disobey. And this is perhaps one of the greatest failures the church has ever facilitated.
I want to say clearly and loudly to the world, once and for all: You may NOT marry whomever you want! God, your Creator and the Judge of all nations, has a perfect plan for your life. It is specifically and uniquely tailored to who He made you to be; and it will bring glory and fame to Him in the earth. For anyone—straight or gay—to assume that they have the right to marry someone for ANY reason other than obedience to the command of God is an act of rebellion against the King of Creation; it is foolish and naïve, egocentric and ignorant.
I married my wife because God told me to. Yes, I think she's beautiful. But she's not the only beautiful woman in the world. Yes, she and I get along great! But, I get along with many other women who are just friends of mine. I choose to love my wife, not because she earned my love, but out of obedience to the Word of God spoken to me 5 years ago, in which He said, "Candice will be your wife. I'm calling you to marry her."
So, with that said, I'd like to make my stance on homosexuality/homosexual marriage crystal clear: I cannot support the homosexual agenda in our nation. This is not because people call it an "abomination," or because I'm some sort of homophobe or bigot, but because every argument in support of that act is based on one fundamental misconception; and that is the flawed idea that we should be able to marry whomever we want.
I have never heard a homosexual couple tell me that the reason they are together is because, out of a place of devotion to the Lord in prayer and scripture study, He commanded them to be together. And, until that happens, there really is no discussion to be had. They will receive the same response I would give to a straight couple that is together for carnal or selfish reasons: You are in disobedience to God, and you have made an idol out of yourself. Repent. Leave this relationship, and commit yourself to hear and obey the spoken Word of God.
However, much of the violent polarization of right and left wing crusaders, both for and against homosexual relationships has come from major failure within the church. So, I'd like to address the homosexual community and their advocates on behalf of the Church once and for all:
To the LGBT community: I sincerely apologize that, with our actions, we have said that WE can marry whomever we want, but you cannot. Our wrong motives have been exposed by the staggeringly negative success rates of our marriages, and we have no right to demand that you live to a standard that we have not been willing to honor.
I refuse to lower the standard of perfect obedience to which scripture calls us to accommodate anyone for any reason. Therefore, I can advocate NO relationship that exists for the sake of self-gratification, be it heterosexual or otherwise. If it is not a direct result of the command of God, it is sin, and should have no legitimate place in human life.
Psalm 119:105 says, "your Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path." (This was written by someone who didn't have a Bible to read like you and me, by the way.) The truth remains, unless God has spoken a Word to us in season, we are aimless. We are in the dark, and we must wait on Him until He illuminates our path with the revealing of His perfect, unique plan for us. And trust me, it will be worth the wait.
As I said near the beginning of this essay, I am in no position to institute legislation regarding civil unions or "marriage." I exist as an oracle of the Kingdom of heaven, not the United States of America. And as such, in regard to the issue of marriage (gay OR straight), I can say only this: The spoken Word of God must remain paramount to us. If rebellion and self-centeredness continue to infect the minds of our culture (both Christian and secular), we will position ourselves for a painful judgment at the hand of Jesus–the One whose words we've twisted to coddle ourselves in our treason. Revival begins in the Church. So I beseech the Christian community: submit your thoughts and actions regarding marriage and sexuality to God. Become the righteous standard that the homosexual community has yet to see. Christ must be the Lord of ALL of your life, or He is truly the Lord of none of it. You may NOT marry whomever you want. But this is when "faith" gets real. Those who come to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
I bless you in the service of my Lord and King, Jesus Christ. He can turn this around! Let's stand with Him while He does it!
Love radically. Live righteously.
[thanks, Metal Injection]
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What a fcking gay. And not his version of gay. Just a gay.
He hates the gays but 99% of his bands fans are a bunch of queers. Isn't it ironic... don't you think?
Dude eats too much chick-fil-a, what a gay
fck this attention seeking dckhead and his shitty band. Meanwhile, the pastor at his church is suck kids off in the confession booth.
How ignorant and lost can you be...seriously? fcking diva.
i don't see what all the hype is about? he never said anything other than love for non selfish and material reasons. And what would you expect from a religious minded individual? not radical at all, quite moderate and educated in my opinion. That being said i support gay marriage
This guy is so full of shit. Mosh for Jesus jerk.
I believe this man is wrong. There were some small points in there that I believe were right, but his overall point -that you cannot marry whoever you want- is false, in my opinion. Listen folks, after what MM has said, please don't judge all Christians for it.
I'm sorry but if Fronz from Attila doesn't have to apologize for anything then neither does Mattie. People need to open up their minds just as much as Christians. Is anyone surprised this is his view?! He is not attacking anything. The LBGT has their view and he has his. It's too bad this website has to have a bias in the way they write.
fcking break up already. No one would care about your shitty band if you weren't profiteering off of christ.
I just head banged my face into the wall after reading this garbage...way to keep it classy and non-judgemental
this guy is full of shit. I hear voices in my head that tell fck girls I think are hot too. But if that's really the only reason you married that bitch..you are a fcking fool.
I fvked the gtr players wife wonder if he knew that
being christian and playing metal is the biggest hypocritical belief system thats every happen...HOW THE fck CAN YOU PLAY A STYLE OF MUSIC THAT WAS STARTED BY EMBRACING SATANIC IMAGERY AND THE DARK UNDERGROUNDS OF SOCIETY THEN GO PRAY TO AN IMAGINARY FIGURE FOR YOUR SINS... Oh wait, Tim Lambesis figured that out for us... You can't.
how is this news? singer writes a blog 2 years ago and its presented as if this is new and breaking "hateful" news. Are we running out of news Lambgoat? seems like a cheap ploy for web traffic.
I don't really get the comments. The only people he was hard on in the whole blog was the christian community. The only thing he really said about homosexual marriage was that he didn't disapprove of it any more than he disapproves of many christian marriages. I feel like most people saw what they wanted to see and not what he actually wrote.
It's a good thing your religion is the ONLY one, and it's the right way, eh? Get over yourself, you stupid self-righteous christian fck. Also, you don't know hardcore. I AM hardcore. Y'all ain't even know.
Whether he loves the gays or hates the gays, that's his business, but anytime done piece of shit tries to put himself on a pedestal and tell people that his way is the morally righteous way and we are all godless heathens, he can fck right off in my book. I'm sure this guy does all types of shit that i wouldn't approve of but I'm not shitty enough to write a college thesis about. Trust me jerk, of there is a good, you will be judged just as harshly as us lowly sinners.
"and don't you fcking judge me!" -slipknot 1999 This guy doesn't realize that Christian gays are everywhere now. Get done life experience before you condemn, idiot. Telling your fans that their marriages are illegitimate unless god spoke to them, schizophrenia-style? You can't even argue with such warped logic
I read about half of this so what I'm about to say I'd based on that. The bible also says hat we should stone people to death, and if you read the Old Testament it's the most violent book know to man. Now.. If Mattie were to just admit that he was secretly part of westboro this would make more seance. Again I didn't read the intire thing.
Correction - Mike did willingly leave. He was planning to leave after the tour anyway. But it is true the band attempted to make him a scapegoat.
this guy is not a good businessman and is going to run his fcking band into the ground because he can't keep his mouth shut. have a good time getting a real job to put food on the table and go to church. tour life is over for you
This band is just a fcking joke. Saw them live and lost all respect for them due to a terrible performance and unnecessary preaching. On top of that they've been releasing the same song on repeat every year since breaker
I like how he mentions "People use scripture as their only weapon on this issue" then quotes scripture from the bible to defend his stance. You'll be praying for forgiveness in about a year or make a sweet YouTube apology video next week trying to sell some albums for a quick tour. I feel bad for your wife. Life's a wheel slick.
Way too fcking long to read. That being said, For Today sucks ass and I give no fcks about what this weenie has to say. Good day.
"his believes relative to marriage" - Alex, I'm incredibly disappointed in you
He needs a big fat black one up his ass to realize how good it feels.
This dude is gonna be so bummed when he dies and there is nothing after all. Sorry bud, continue to be a blind sheep to a book of allegories and live your life in a box. More fun for the rest of us.
"I exist as an oracle of the Kingdom of heaven" Pride comes before a fall, much? You aint special, kid. When you put the words "Truth" and "Bible" together you expose yourself. Christian belief is based upon faith, therefore there can never be provable truth. Most of these christian "core" bands only started so they could make money & have a clean place to stay / play, while they tour. Good scam, but usually it's just that.
From this idiot's website: "Mattie Montgomery is a voice of generational destiny and awakening for the end-times reformation" Dude thinks he's a prophet?
This guy is a fcking idiot. "I'm not a bigot or a homophobe, gay marriage is just wrong" So fck your rights, you're wrong, but I'm not against you! what a fcking retard, hope he gets assed beatd many fcking times before admitting he's gay and this was all his way of trying to hide it. fcking retard
anonymous posted 1 day ago I'm sorry but if Fronz from Attila doesn't have to apologize for anything then neither does Mattie. People need to open up their minds just as much as Christians. Is anyone surprised this is his view?! He is not attacking anything. The LBGT has their view and he has his. It's too bad this website has to have a bias in the way they write. you are an idiot.
shut up and get out of hardcore. jesus isn't welcome here.
Okay, let me get this straight. From reading this in context, and not picking out what I want to hear from it, he never denies just people from the LBGT rights to marry. It's more of him saying it towards people period on marriage out of God's will. Not once do I see in this, that he hates gay people. Also, it is from a post that is more than a year old. So bringing that up, is trying to stir things up to get people to come to your site...
...He even said in the post that the right to choose whether gay people should marry, is not up to him or pastors, but up to the politicians, as stated in the VERY BEGINNING of the post. Stop picking out things out of context, just to throw someone under the best and to justify hate for the guy and his band.
All this nonsense about saying that he shouldn't hate gay people, yet you're hating him. Even though it isn't hate, you perceive it as hate, which means you fight it back with hate. That makes no sense. Though it is not hate, if it were, you're supposed to fight hate with love.
People in the music scenes that preach tolerance, should more of call it tolerance for everyone except Christians, Muslims, or Jewish people, in reality. It's more of tolerance except for people who have belief systems, because of the condemning that comes with someone from one of those faiths actually states the obvious from their beliefs, on the issue.
If you're just now finding out that Christianity or even Judaism or Islam says that homosexuality has been a sin, you have clearly been hiding under a rock your whole life. I don't see anyone who tries to cast stones at this guy or at his band, lining up at churches, synagogues, or mosques to do the same to every other person who believes that.
Believing it is wrong is not condemning it. Condemnation is openly hating it. Not stating that you don't agree. If stating you don't agree is condemning, that counts for about 99% of us when we don't agree with something, which makes everyone sound hateful and condemning.
Chill out, grow up. Stop looking to throw people under the bus because you want people to pay attention to you. Instead of talking about things on the internet, as injustices, go up to Capitol Hill or talk to your Senator, and do something about it.
dudes got a girls name. gayGIE should get a job with nasa hes so intelligent
Everyone, everywhere always has something negative to say ... Can't you all see ... That's what's wrong with the world today.
what if God told me to marry my sister or an animal
how do you know when God 'tells you' to marry your wife? like does he come down from the clouds and force you to marry her? what if you don't love her, do you have to do whatever God says even if it makes you unhappy? sure go ahead marry whomever the invisible man tells you to, mindless sheep. #FreeWillSacrifice
if i was this guy's wife i'd be kinda pissed. like he didn't choose to marry her wtf
The body of Christ is not a commodity or article of commerce to be looted by a gospel of greed for preachers to make merchandise. When you stand before God on judgement day, you will have to answer the question, did you manipulate the people or did you preach the word?
God doesn't exist. Everyone needs to realize that.
"I have a whole bunch of people I've been friends with for years who are gay men and women. We have all been forced into this new religious/political paradigm where Christians are pitted against homosexuals in this stupid struggle for political dominance. It's really a political issue. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter." -Mattie Montgomery in an interview with Alternative Press
Why is this article posted? He never fcking said any of this shit, you fcking retard.
Everyone on here making comments is so unbelievably ignorant and hypocritical. You aren't proving any point other than the fact that none of you can spell, and all you're able to write are hate comments. Get over yourselves.
Listen here folks. If you wish to go marry a person of the same sex, that's your choice. I don't mind homosexuality, but I don't think it's right. I'm a Christian male and I have my own views on the subject just like everyone else does. I respect anyone else's choice and opinions so I expect you to respect mine. Mattie can have his own opinions just like you can.